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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMamba View Post
    Yeah, I know what it is. Wasn't sure that was a compliment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I'm confused about the assignment here. Are we being asked to find just any recent (whatever that means) performance that's better than just any old (whatever that means) performance? What will that be indicative of? Or are we supposed to find a recent performance that beats out the best old performance in existence? Now that would really mean something!

    With Baroque music that would be easy. With Romantic music it would be next to impossible. But ignorance is bliss.
    Others may interpret the assignment differently, but I think the intent is to discuss recording that has 'iconic' status and see if a more recent contender has bested it.
    For example, Jacqueline Du Pre's Elgar Concerto recording with Barbirolli. Has any recording in the last 50 years bested it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Others may interpret the assignment differently, but I think the intent is to discuss recording that has 'iconic' status and see if a more recent contender has bested it.
    For example, Jacqueline Du Pre's Elgar Concerto recording with Barbirolli. Has any recording in the last 50 years bested it?
    Yes! See my comment already

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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    Well... she's definitely better looking.



    I have nothing against Ms. Katherine I've heard her name but don't really know who she is the same can be said for Ms. Florence. However looking at the two pictures baring in mind this is just my opinion Florence looks happier than Katherine.

    Although she also looks more realistic I am assuming someone was a bit heavy handed with the Photoshop although I'm sure Katherine is a just lovely without airbrushing, she looks vacant (I don't mean that be insulting I know it sounds it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Others may interpret the assignment differently, but I think the intent is to discuss recording that has 'iconic' status and see if a more recent contender has bested it.
    For example, Jacqueline Du Pre's Elgar Concerto recording with Barbirolli. Has any recording in the last 50 years bested it?
    That was very very easy. I just finished up a listening test and Alisa Weilerstein's was voted by everyone as the definitive version.



    Jacqueline du Pre's version was voted second place by the SLC classical music society... and that included a professional tuba player.

    Blind testing btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMamba View Post
    Yeah, I know what it is. Wasn't sure that was a compliment.
    I apologise if you thought I was being condescending, I posted that in jest. I had never heard of A1 Sauce before I don't believe it is sold in the UK.

    From the short time I have known Albert however I did not think it was anything but a compliment he is a good chap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I'm confused about the assignment here. Are we being asked to find just any recent (whatever that means) performance that's better than just any old (whatever that means) performance? What will that be indicative of? Or are we supposed to find a recent performance that beats out the best old performance in existence? Now that would really mean something!

    With Baroque music that would be easy. With Romantic music it would be next to impossible. But ignorance is bliss.
    I'll make things simpler then.

    Find post 1980's recordings which are better than their pre-1980's counterparts.

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    I just finished up a listening test and Alisa Weilerstein's was voted by everyone as the definitive version.

    Who is everyone?

    A tuba player?
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    those not sufficiently prepared. Yes, art is dangerous. Where it is chaste, it is not art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    I just finished up a listening test and Alisa Weilerstein's was voted by everyone as the definitive version.

    Who is everyone?
    Ben (professional tuba player), Powell (my stepdad), and Rosemarie of the SLC Classical Music Society.

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    In my opinion Glenn Gould's 1981 BWV 988



    is better than...



    his 1955 performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    In my opinion Glenn Gould's 1981 BWV 988



    is better than...



    his 1955 performance.
    Agreed. Gould I think was young in 1955 and was trying to show off his chops and 1981 he was more reflective in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    I just finished up a listening test and Alisa Weilerstein's was voted by everyone as the definitive version.

    Who is everyone?

    A tuba player?
    I feel horrible but I laughed out loud only on this forum is that a possible answer to "Who is everyone?" Bravo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertfallickwang View Post
    That was very very easy. I just finished up a listening test and Alisa Weilerstein's was voted by everyone as the definitive version.



    Jacqueline du Pre's version was voted second place by the SLC classical music society... and that included a professional tuba player.

    Blind testing btw.
    That is very nice for Ms. Weilerstein's ego and for your friend the tuba player, but what does it really mean? That Ms. Weilerstein actually plays the piece "better" than Jacqueline Du Pre? That there is a correct interpretation of the piece and that Ms. Weilerstein comes closer to that interpretation than does Ms. Du Pre? Or does it mean simply that two superb cellists play it differently and that some people are more attuned to the sort of performance that one gives than to the sort the other gives? Perhaps it's just a sampling of the first impressions of a handful of people, with no further significance?

    I know Jacqueline Du Pre's commercial recording of the Elgar Cello Concerto. I have heard others. I find her interpretation, and her execution of it, strongly conceived, emotionally compelling, and as legitimate as any other. I hear nothing in it that requires "improving." I welcome other interpretations which will be compelling in their own way. I may prefer them or not. Between such highly accomplished performances, that preference will be no more than a preference, absent well-considered argument to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    That is very nice for Ms. Weilerstein's ego and for your friend the tuba player, but what does it really mean? That Ms. Weilerstein actually plays the piece "better" than Jacqueline Du Pre? That there is a correct interpretation of the piece and that Ms. Weilerstein comes closer to that interpretation than does Ms. Du Pre? Or does it mean simply that two superb cellists play it differently and that some people are more attuned to the sort of performance that one gives than to the sort the other gives? Perhaps it's just a sampling of the first impressions of a handful of people, with no further significance?

    I know Jacqueline Du Pre's commercial recording of the Elgar Cello Concerto. I have heard others. I find her interpretation, and her execution of it, strongly conceived, emotionally compelling, and as legitimate as any other. I hear nothing in it that requires "improving." I welcome other interpretations which will be compelling in their own way. I may prefer them or not. Between such highly accomplished performances, that preference will be no more than a preference without well-considered argument to the contrary.
    For me, the results aren't necessarily the most meaningful results but isn't this the way how juried musical competitions function? They get judges and vote up a winner like a more intellectual version of American Idol.

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