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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    I have nothing against Ms. Katherine I've heard her name but don't really know who she is the same can be said for Ms. Florence. However looking at the two pictures baring in mind this is just my opinion Florence looks happier than Katherine.

    Although she also looks more realistic I am assuming someone was a bit heavy handed with the Photoshop although I'm sure Katherine is a just lovely without airbrushing, she looks vacant (I don't mean that be insulting I know it sounds it).
    No complaints. For that you get to enjoy a lovely clip of the latter Jenkins singing for your reference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by albertfallickwang View Post
    For me, the results aren't necessarily the most meaningful results but isn't this the way how juried musical competitions function? They get judges and vote up a winner like a more intellectual version of American Idol.
    You listed 3 people earlier ... is that the entire voting membership? If not, how many voted and what was the breakdown?

    I would be more impressed with the results were there some string players rather than one tuba player. Come to think of it, I know a professional cellist who studied with Jackie Du Pre in the early 80's ... I wonder what that person would say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    You listed 3 people earlier ... is that the entire voting membership? If not, how many voted and what was the breakdown?

    I would be more impressed with the results were there some string players rather than one tuba player. Come to think of it, I know a professional cellist who studied with Jackie Du Pre in the early 80's ... I wonder what that person would say?
    if you can hook me up with that person I am willing to do a blind listening piece with him or her easily .

    One tuba player
    One former vocal coach (my stepdad)
    One opera lover

    quite a variety. It's like American Idol to me but who knows. It was 3-0 easily for Alisa's performance.

    I played the following in order:

    1) Sol Gabetta's version
    2) Jacqueline du Pre's version
    3) Alisa Weilerstein's version

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertfallickwang View Post
    if you can hook me up with that person I am willing to do a blind listening piece with him or her easily .

    One tuba player
    One former vocal coach (my stepdad)
    One opera lover

    quite a variety. It's like American Idol to me but who knows. It was 3-0 easily for Alisa's performance.

    I played the following in order:

    1) Sol Gabetta's version
    2) Jacqueline du Pre's version
    3) Alisa Weilerstein's version
    "Definitive"?? If I remember my statistics correctly, you need a random sampling of approximately 1000 to get a result which is +-3%. I wonder what the standard deviation would be from 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    "Definitive"?? If I remember my statistics correctly, you need a random sampling of approximately 1000 to get a result which is +-3%. I wonder what the standard deviation would be from 3?
    okay, let me rephrase. It would be "subjectively definitive." Sorry I wasn't specific enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Surprise! "A.1. was originally developed, produced, and marketed in the United Kingdom as a brand in 1831 and was officially registered as a trademark in the U.S. in 1895, and was later imported and distributed in the United States by G.F. Heublein & Bros in 1906. Although the sauce is widely available in the U.S. and Canada, in the UK, its country of origin, it is currently only sold by Tesco and Ocado."

    Also: "The original sauce upon which A.1. is based was created in 1824 by Henderson William Brand, a chef to King George IV of the United Kingdom."
    Greetings Ken I don't believe we've met, it's nice to meet you. I didn't know that and I am thoroughly I'm pressed by your knowledge of sauces so congratulations sir the hat is tipped.

    Kind Regards,

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    Homemade A.1. Steak Sauce

    1/2 c. cold water
    1/4 c. golden raisins
    1/2 c. aged balsamic vinegar
    1/4 c. worcestershire sauce
    1/4 c. ketchup
    1/4 c. dijon mustard (don’t substitute or you won’t get the same product)
    a pinch of cayenne for some heat
    1/4 t. black pepper
    1 garlic clove, cut in half
    1/2 t. celery seed
    1/4 t. kosher salt
    1 large orange

    Cut the orange in half and cut one of the halves into quarters.

    Add all ingredients (except orange) to a medium saucepan. Add two orange segments, squeezing the juices into the pan first. Give it a good mixing.

    On low heat simmer sauce for about 15 minutes. You want bubbles just breaking the surface, not a rolling boil or it will get too thick.

    After 15 minutes, strain this through a fine mesh strainer. Squeeze out all the juices.

    Before you adjust the seasoning, you have to let this cool completely. If you season this hot, it will taste different when it’s cold.

    Once it’s cooled, then taste for salt and pepper adjustments. I left the salt and pepper as is, I did add more garlic and a few chunks of onion (during the cooking process) though, so it would have more than a hint of garlic and just a teaser of onion flavor.

    Yield: 1 3/4 cups

    And it's as creamy as Sutherland singing an aria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertfallickwang View Post
    No complaints. For that you get to enjoy a lovely clip of the latter Jenkins singing for your reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    ...I am thoroughly impressed by your knowledge of sauces so congratulations sir the hat is tipped.
    Nice to meet you too. Re sauces, Wiki makes anybody an instant expert! Even somebody like me, who knows nothing about them.


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    In my opinion, Alice Sara Ott plays the Grieg Piano Concerto here



    better than

    Arthur Rubenstein could touch...


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    May I suggest that it's much easier to find a new recording that's better than some older, definitive one if you don't actually believe in the concept of a "definitive" recording in the first place?

    Isn't it more sensible to acknowledge the existence of several excellent recordings of a piece (regardless of their age), especially when there are dozens or even hundreds of versions to choose from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    I apologise if you thought I was being condescending, I posted that in jest. I had never heard of A1 Sauce before I don't believe it is sold in the UK.

    From the short time I have known Albert however I did not think it was anything but a compliment he is a good chap.

    Regards,

    Fox
    No apology needed. I see my "I know..." comment may have come across as a little surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    May I suggest that it's much easier to find a new recording that's better than some older, definitive one if you don't actually believe in the concept of a "definitive" recording in the first place?

    Isn't it more sensible to acknowledge the existence of several excellent recordings of a piece (regardless of their age), especially when there are dozens or even hundreds of versions to choose from?
    This is definitely right. No definitive readings but certainly a group of wonderful recordings is what keeps us happy.

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    The Freiburger Barockorchester's 2013 performance of J.S. Bach's Concerto in d minor for two violins, BWV 1043:



    ... is much better than the 1958 performance with David Oistrakh, Yehudi Menuhin, and the ORTF National Orchestra:


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