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    Default Examples of recent performances that are better than the older performances.

    The debate about older legends has been appreciative or not inspired me to conjure up a thread where we can think of examples of recent recordings or performances beating out the older version.

    So I will start:



    is much better than the Furtwangler version almost 2 decades earlier:



    And other examples?

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    Another more intimate example.

    I think that the Pollini version of the Beethoven Piano Sonata No. 32 is nearly impossible to beat.



    I think a better version than the one done by Arrau earlier by not much.


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    I wouldn't exactly call Kleiber's 5th a "recent" recording. It dates from 1975, prior to CDs and digital recording. It's 40 years old. Pollini's Beethoven also dates from 1975. Again not a strong argument for the strength of "recent" or contemporary recordings.
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    Katharine Jenkins is better than Florence Foster Jenkins... I think!

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    Well... she's definitely better looking.



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    Almost any ECM New Series disc that doesn't try to do anything overly radical to the work in question....will have a top notch performance.

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    I'm confused about the assignment here. Are we being asked to find just any recent (whatever that means) performance that's better than just any old (whatever that means) performance? What will that be indicative of? Or are we supposed to find a recent performance that beats out the best old performance in existence? Now that would really mean something!

    With Baroque music that would be easy. With Romantic music it would be next to impossible. But ignorance is bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    With Romantic music it would be next to impossible.
    Not really. Think of Zimerman doing the Chopin concertos. Or Gastinel playing Brahms cello sonatas. Or Harnonourt and Aimard in Beethoven op 15. Or Zilberstein playing Schubert D850. Or Roger Muraro playing Rachmaninov Moments Musicaux. Or Pletnev playing Grieg Lyric pieces (his first recording.) Or Harnoncourt or Gielen doing the Missa Solemnis (the DVD) Or Abbado playing the Brahms Requiem. Or Fassbaender singing Dichterliebe. Or Villazon in Don Carlos, or his Boheme with Gheorghiu. Or some of Abbado's Mahler with the Lausanne orchestra, after his cancer scare. That's without thinking too hard.
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    If recent is 40 years of less, then I can think of a a number... But is a 40 year old recording really "recent"?

    For me, recent is something like the last five years and then I have a very low pot success! (Watching Welch Open Snooker final, Higgins vs. Wollaston! on my neighbours home cinema) .. I'm sure there must be a few, but I have a hard time to think of any Ronnie O'Sullivan's of classical music! (Stephen Hendry is still the best ever!)

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    Carlos Kleiber - excellent (and my favourite Beethoven 5th) - but dead

    Abbado - excellent - but dead

    erm .... not the best examples to support the claim that the present kicks the past into a cocked hat
    "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." Berlioz, 1856

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    I'm not actively listening to a lot of new or older recordings of Romantic repertoire but recent recordings of chamber music by say Janine Jansen, or the Capucons, or a good many string quartets seem to me to be better technically and musically than what has gone before. I think it's high time the du Pre Elgar is acknowledged as being bested by Mork, Weilerstein or Gabetta. Orchestrally, I'm not aware of so much new stuff - a lot of the big rep has been recorded to death but there are many recent quality live recordings that are extremely exciting like Colin Davis's Symphony Fantastique with LSO. Nezet-Seguin's Schumann cycle with Chamber Orchestra of Europe is also phenomenal (in fact just about anything with this amazing artist-orchestra) - I'm sure there's more if I were better up to date with this repertoire

    For any period not romantic, the case for recent recordings is clear cut

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    Zehetmair/Bruggen is my favorite Beethoven Violin Concerto. So I guess I'd say it is better than everything that came before it (YMMV). But even it goes back to the 90s.

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    Think of Zimerman doing the Chopin concertos. Or Gastinel playing Brahms cello sonatas. Or Harnonourt and Aimard in Beethoven op 15. Or Zilberstein playing Schubert D850. Or Roger Muraro playing Rachmaninov Moments Musicaux. Or Pletnev playing Grieg Lyric pieces (his first recording.) Or Harnoncourt or Gielen doing the Missa Solemnis (the DVD) Or Abbado playing the Brahms Requiem. Or Fassbaender singing Dichterliebe. Or Villazon in Don Carlos, or his Boheme with Gheorghiu. Or some of Abbado's Mahler with the Lausanne orchestra, after his cancer scare. That's without thinking too hard.

    Are these really examples of contemporary recordings clearly superior to any older ones? Gastinel's Brahms is clearly superior to Gregor Piatigorsky and Rubinstein or Serkin and Mstislav Rostropovich? Lilya Zilberstein's Schubert D. 850 is imminently preferable to Richter, Kempff, Brendel... and more recently, Uchida? Honestly, I've never even heard Abbado's recording of Brahm's requiem being mentioned as being in the running among essential recordings such as Gardier, Klemperer, Fritz Lehmann, and Herreweghe. Fassbender's Dichterliebe? Superior to Wunderlich's . La Boheme? Try Callas or Victoria de los Angeles and Jussi Bjorling.

    Think harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    Think of Zimerman doing the Chopin concertos. Or Gastinel playing Brahms cello sonatas. Or Harnonourt and Aimard in Beethoven op 15. Or Zilberstein playing Schubert D850. Or Roger Muraro playing Rachmaninov Moments Musicaux. Or Pletnev playing Grieg Lyric pieces (his first recording.) Or Harnoncourt or Gielen doing the Missa Solemnis (the DVD) Or Abbado playing the Brahms Requiem. Or Fassbaender singing Dichterliebe. Or Villazon in Don Carlos, or his Boheme with Gheorghiu. Or some of Abbado's Mahler with the Lausanne orchestra, after his cancer scare. That's without thinking too hard.

    Are these really examples of contemporary recordings clearly superior to any older ones? Gastinel's Brahms is clearly superior to Gregor Piatigorsky and Rubinstein or Serkin and Mstislav Rostropovich? Lilya Zilberstein's Schubert D. 850 is imminently preferable to Richter, Kempff, Brendel... and more recently, Uchida? Honestly, I've never even heard Abbado's recording of Brahm's requiem being mentioned as being in the running among essential recordings such as Gardier, Klemperer, Fritz Lehmann, and Herreweghe. Fassbender's Dichterliebe? Superior to Wunderlich's . La Boheme? Try Callas or Victoria de los Angeles and Jussi Bjorling.

    Think harder.
    I love those last two sentences. Pure throwing down the gauntlet.

    'Think harder.'

    Try harder.

    'Try again.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgee View Post
    Colin Davis's Symphony Fantastique with LSO.
    Sir Colin Davis - excellent - dead
    "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." Berlioz, 1856

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