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    Forget boxed sets. Get Cliburn for Rach 3 and Rubinstein for Rach 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Yes, relaxed as compared to speedy. I don't like rushed music and I'm not a Martha fan.
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    Not a Marta fan? What's the matter with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    These things are almost always a question of degree. How far can we diverge from Rach's own view and still say we're doing the music justice? I welcome all interpretations which tell us something interesting about music. But if a composer has the technical capability of performing his own music, I will, without a compelling reason not to, take what he has to say about his own music and his personal sensibility as having considerable authority. Of course he wouldn't, and didn't, insist that others play exactly as he does. Neither would I. But there is an essential quality about Rach that Argerich, in her characteristic effort to rip the sky open, tramples. If others don't care about that quality, or don't perceive it, they're welcome to her.
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    You may hear Argerich that way; but then, equally true, I hear Rachmaninov's own endeavors as being comparatively placid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    And your opinions are - what, objective?

    On the objective side, we have Rachmaninoff's view of his own music. It is vastly different from Argerich's. As a great composer and an unsurpassed pianist who lived with himself and played his own music all his life, he can probably be trusted to bring us closest to the essence of who he is. That essence comes through to me with clarity and eloquence, and I'm immensely grateful for it. You don't have to like it, but there it is.

    Ukko said he thinks he has another recording under Abbado. But I wonder if he and I are both thinking of the Prokofiev 3rd, which she did record more than once.
    But you said: "I'm sure Rachmaninoff didn't expect all performances of his music to be like his own" Then you start being, you say, 'objective'? And why imply I don't like Rach's own performance? I never said that! All interpretation is subjective given certain guidelines. I don't mind you not liking Marta's but why on earth imply you are being objective about it?

    BTW Marta has no Rach 3 under Abbado as far as I know. It was the Tchaikovsky 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    But you said: "I'm sure Rachmaninoff didn't expect all performances of his music to be like his own" Then you start being, you say, 'objective'? And why imply I don't like Rach's own performance? I never said that! All interpretation is subjective given certain guidelines. I don't mind you not liking Marta's but why on earth imply you are being objective about it?
    BTW Marta has no Rach 3 under Abbado as far as I know. It was the Tchaikovsky 1
    Yeah, but I do mind that Woodduck doesn't like it.

    I want to share the exhilaration with him. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
    Yeah, but I do mind that Woodduck doesn't like it.

    I want to share the exhilaration with him. ;D
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    Well. Folks, if y'all just adore Martha here, I'm pleased as punch for y'all.

    I make no claim that my preferences, solely because they are mine, have "objective" validity. I say only: "There's Rachmaninoff presenting himself, being himself. Pay attention. He doesn't care what we think, but he'd like us to listen carefully to what he does. Listen carefully enough and you may come to know him better."

    Interestingly, Stephen Hough, in preparation for his set of the concertos, made an intensive study of Rach's recordings and had much to say on the subject. Just in case anyone cares.

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    I must also express my distaste for Martha's whirlwind performance - great pianism, but it is not Rachmaninov.
    I have a great deal of admiration for her but for the real Rachmaninov I turn to others.
    I have a documentary in which Jorge Bolet talks a great deal about Rachmaninov, he knew him and saw him perform.
    His interpretation of the Third is exceptional, not the Decca commercial recording, but the 1983 live performance from the Usher Hall in Edinburgh with the BBC SSO conducted by Bryden Thomson is superb. There is also a Palexa CD of him performing it live in Indiana in the 70s that is let down by the local orchestra.
    Lastly there is a live performance from Tokyo with the NHK Symphony orchestra conducted by David Atherton - wonderful.
    Also very impressive is Volodos in a superb live performance under Levine.
    As for the others....
    For no 2, Weissenberg with Karajan is superb, Askenazy and Previn and for no 4 - Michelangeli!

    For the complete set - Earl Wild and Horenstein and Rachmaninov himself.
    Wild was another of those great pianists around at the time Rachmaninov was playing and has a lot to say.
    A very satisfying interpreter - So to sum up.....
    Earl Wild - Jorge Bolet - Michelangeli and (who cares about the sound) - the man himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    And your opinions are - what, objective?

    On the objective side, we have Rachmaninoff's view of his own music. It is vastly different from Argerich's. As a great composer and an unsurpassed pianist who lived with himself and played his own music all his life, he can probably be trusted to bring us closest to the essence of who he is. That essence comes through to me with clarity and eloquence, and I'm immensely grateful for it. You don't have to like it, but there it is.

    Ukko said he thinks he has another recording under Abbado. But I wonder if he and I are both thinking of the Prokofiev 3rd, which she did record more than once.
    I suspect that I am the victim of a recurring confusion, repeatedly replacing Chailly in my mind with Abbado. I have no idea how it started. I scoured amazon.com for A&A, with no hits. I also searched my Rachmaninoff shelf - and didn't even find my copy of the Chailly.

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    Put me down for another vote for the Earl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    I must also express my distaste for Martha's whirlwind performance - great pianism, but it is not Rachmaninov.
    I have a great deal of admiration for her but for the real Rachmaninov I turn to others.
    I have a documentary in which Jorge Bolet talks a great deal about Rachmaninov, he knew him and saw him perform.
    His interpretation of the Third is exceptional, not the Decca commercial recording, but the 1983 live performance from the Usher Hall in Edinburgh with the BBC SSO conducted by Bryden Thomson is superb. There is also a Palexa CD of him performing it live in Indiana in the 70s that is let down by the local orchestra.
    Lastly there is a live performance from Tokyo with the NHK Symphony orchestra conducted by David Atherton - wonderful.
    Also very impressive is Volodos in a superb live performance under Levine.
    As for the others....
    For no 2, Weissenberg with Karajan is superb, Askenazy and Previn and for no 4 - Michelangeli!

    For the complete set - Earl Wild and Horenstein and Rachmaninov himself.
    Wild was another of those great pianists around at the time Rachmaninov was playing and has a lot to say.
    A very satisfying interpreter - So to sum up.....
    Earl Wild - Jorge Bolet - Michelangeli and (who cares about the sound) - the man himself.
    How could I forget the Volodos?!- yes, that's artistry of a high order- no doubt.

    (But I still incline to Martha overall. ;D)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Well. Folks, if y'all just adore Martha here, I'm pleased as punch for y'all.

    I make no claim that my preferences, solely because they are mine, have "objective" validity. I say only: "There's Rachmaninoff presenting himself, being himself. Pay attention. He doesn't care what we think, but he'd like us to listen carefully to what he does. Listen carefully enough and you may come to know him better."

    Interestingly, Stephen Hough, in preparation for his set of the concertos, made an intensive study of Rach's recordings and had much to say on the subject. Just in case anyone cares.
    Yes, I've heard them- and he should have made and intensive study of Argerich or Volodos instead.
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    WOW, What a thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
    Yes, I've heard them- and he should have made and intensive study of Argerich or Volodos instead.
    Silly girl. You don't "study" Martha. You go to the basement or to the room nearest the center of your house, crouch down, and cover your head; or, if you're on the road, you pull over, get out of the car, find the lowest spot of ground, lie flat on your stomach, and hope that a flying cow does not drop on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
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    Not a Marta fan? What's the matter with you?
    It is possible. Some people can't handle an smart and beautiful lady at the same time LOL .
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