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    Is guitar a serious instrument? Yes.

    Does it have non-serous practicioners that lower its esteem in the classical world? Yes.

    Is it hard to master? That is harder to answer. I would say guitar is one of the easiest instruments to learn to play well (along with piano actually), but I'd say that it would be difficult to master it.

    I'll be honest, I think that the three hardest instruments to master are the french horn, the trombone, and the trumpet. None of these instruments are technically capable of what the guitar and the piano are capable of. They cannot play chords, they play cannot for longer than the performer can breathe, and they are the instruments with the largest physical endurance factor. Additionally, they have a limited range, tuning issues, they require large amounts of tone work to be listenable, and in the case of the trombone, they require ridiculous amounts of muscle memory in order to play something considered easy on other instruments.

    And that's not even counting what it takes to accurately hit high notes on a french horn, do a trill on trombone, or play a note lower than low F# on the trumpet. However, they do not just have limitations. All of them can all change their sound in a nearly limitless number of ways, such as mutes, pitchbends, alternate fingerings, different types of vibrato that can be applied seperately and in combination; or even something as simple as changing the air flow.

    My point is that an instrument shouldn't be judged merely by the number of classical concertos written for it, or by the number of notes it sees on the average page. If an instrument can be played to such a level that people will pay to listen to it, then it must have some merit. If an instrument is the most popular on the planet, then it must have value. And if someone could devote a lifetime to it, then it must be taken seriously.

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    First off, of course guitar is a real instrument, both electric and acoustic. The classical guitar definitely gives it respect in the classical world, and electric started entire genres of it's own. One thing I think is also relevant to this is metal music's similarity to baroque music. One wouldn't be able to see it unless they trained their ears to identify chordal progressions in metal music which definitely takes practice. But that shows how that music theory is still applied to the guitar, and I think furthers the argument that it is a legitimate instrument. I actually have a friend who knows his baroque music theory really well through formal classes and he uses it to write songs for his metal band. He does things like writing his songs out in figured bass notation, then coming up with riffs over that. I don't think there's many people left who would say all guitarists aren't musicians.

    If what you mean by "more expressive" is that the guitar is able to change it's sound and texture more than piano, then I don't think anyone could argue that that's incorrect. Any electric guitar literally has infinite possible sounds that can come from it and most serious guitarists spend their a good part of their lives just trying to get exactly what they're looking for and still never quite find it. There are millions of different pickups, pedals, amps, etc. So guitar does have more possibilities in that way, because piano's can't change their actual natural sound without changing their construction itself and that's virtually impossible to do. Guitarists can just turn a know or plug a different pedal and completely change they're sound. I even know one guy who's so good at electric guitar he can play complicated piano pieces on guitar and he uses that for composing instead of piano. And from there he can experiment with different levels of distortion.

    But expression has different definitions, there's definitely certain tones and feelings that you can only portray on piano. And expression can be thought of as a general portrayal of emotion as well which in many cases may work better on piano. For instance, portraying happiness or sadness is as easy as playing a minor or major chord with different dynamics. Although the same is true for guitar, I personally think it can often come across better on a piano. So I guess the argument of guitar being more expressive is really subjective.

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    Beethoven, "guitar is a miniature orchestra."

    I think that says it all.

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    the answer is yes. its steel an instrument and its not only pop and rock and jazz and... i play classical and there are technical pieces composed by bach and albeniz and....

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    It used to be hard for me to take it seriously, because of the ridiculous amount of kids at school that would bring their guitars and claimed to be able to play. All they did was hitting the same chords over again, because supposedly that's how their favourite pop song sounded.
    Also, right now my sister is one of those kids that wants to play guitar because it's 'cool'. All she does is going on youtube, check for tutorials, imitate the position of the fingers and play Hannah Banana or whatever her name 'songs'. She thinks that's playing music and calls herself a guitarist! If playing guitar was this, I would never take it seriously. But I know it isn't, therefore... yes it is a serious instrument.

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    Please read this, and than compare instruments of the same group, that could make sense in a way maybe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...al_instruments

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    Quote Originally Posted by leevshan View Post
    Beethoven, "guitar is a miniature orchestra."
    Source please. I've seen that sentence attributed to so many people without any proof that i no longer believe anyone.

    The only one who has said that for sure was Aguado, he wrote it on his method.
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    I don't understand the word "serious" in connection with music. It is all the same to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tero View Post
    I don't understand the word "serious" in connection with music. It is all the same to me.
    Yup, all the same.

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    The guitar's history is as a folk instrument, for accompanying singers. It's portable. It's cheaper than a piano. Its open strings limit it to certain more effective keys with open strings.

    In fact, keyboards are more adapted to our key signature system, so keyboards have certain advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leevshan View Post
    Beethoven, "guitar is a miniature orchestra."

    I think that says it all.
    I believe he said that Giuliani makes the guitar sound like an orchestra.

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    So, yes, I do consider the guitar as a serious classical instrument, as long as it's written for idiomatically, like Leo Brouwer. Segovia did a great service, but still, limitations arise. That Galbraith dude with 10 strings seems hell-bent on transcending those limitations. Good luck to all you guitar classical wanna-be wig-heads. I'll be listening to De Cameron Negro and smoking a cigar, content in the knowledge that no-one has attempted to "stuff a horse into a suitcase."
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    Does the guitar take Beethoven seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Does the guitar take Beethoven seriously?
    ...but can he play "San Antonio Rose?"
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