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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    Indeed. If only there was a recording with an Enee who both sounded heroic and had an agreeable timbre. Vickers is unlistenable for me, although I don't think Giraudeau is unduly effeminate for the possessor of such a light voice. You could make an argument from Virgil that Aeneas, being merely an instrument of fate, lacks the agency necessary to be a true hero, but I doubt that would have much relevance to the opera.
    Me too. Just cant take the sound of his voice.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    When I was studying Virgil in Latin classes at school I must confess his poetic virtues escaped me! Especially when one had to write the thing out as an imposition!
    Virgil, Dante, Shakespeare, Ovid- who needs them?

    Certainly not the homo vulgaris of today's anti-culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    A little off topic perhaps, but I found this nice, if brutally abridged, Tell on Youtube:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVDDD6FAiu4

    I've only listened to about half of it, but it's interesting so far because it has Tony Poncet, the possessor of the last great French heroic tenor voice, as Arnold. It's a shame he wasn't a more finished singer, but the voice is lovely, and perfect in this role. I have the Gardelli Guillaume Tell with Gedda and Bacquier and that's mostly very good as well.
    Perhaps one could even talk about it on a 'William Tell' thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    YESSS!!! Behold the power of authentic French singing!!! *does victory dance around living room*

    Agreed about the amazingness of Tell.
    YUP, MUCH better............
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
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    Virgil, Dante, Shakespeare, Ovid- who needs them?

    Certainly not the homo vulgaris of today's anti-culture.
    Oh come on Blair! Hating Virgil was a passion for generations of British schoolboys! we were taught by an old boy who might just have known Virgil himself. We used to amuse ourselves by making chalk marks on the back of his gown as he passed us. Fond memories!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    YESSS!!! Behold the power of authentic French singing!!! *does victory dance around living room*

    Agreed about the amazingness of Tell.
    What 'power'?

    The ancien regime would be appalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Oh come on Blair! Hating Virgil was a passion for generations of British schoolboys! we were taught by an old boy who might just have known Virgil himself. We used to amuse ourselves by making chalk marks on the back of his gown as he passed us. Fond memories!
    I'm with you there.

    I've never been much of a model of demure obedience and propriety myself when it came to the schoolmarming of others. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    YUP, MUCH better............
    In a eunuch-sort-of-way, I suppose.

    If one's in to that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Oh come on Blair! Hating Virgil was a passion for generations of British schoolboys! we were taught by an old boy who might just have known Virgil himself. We used to amuse ourselves by making chalk marks on the back of his gown as he passed us. Fond memories!
    the fault of the teacher, not the fault of Virgil
    "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." Berlioz, 1856

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headphone Hermit View Post
    the fault of the teacher, not the fault of Virgil
    . . . or the student.

    Rebel against your teachers and read on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
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    . . . or the student.

    Rebel against your teachers and read on your own.
    that looks like the sort of tosh you criticise Boulez for
    "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." Berlioz, 1856

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
    What 'power'?
    This very French power allied with sweetness and style, for example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDJYwLToLc

    ^^ What an Enee he would have been!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headphone Hermit View Post
    that looks like the sort of tosh you criticise Boulez for
    No, she's right. I taught myself Latin, then had a private tutor, then read Classics at university. There's no doubt that my expensively educated contemporaries were far better informed than I was thanks to Eton, Westminster, King's Canterbury etc., but I personally wouldn't have developed the love for Latin literature that I did if someone had been forcing it down my throat from any early age. Not that the 'love' survived Oxford's insane workload either, but then that's just my dilettante nature.

    Interestingly, I think the Aeneid may be the only ancient (Western, pagan) work of literature which has never been off the school curriculum since it was written- that's one heck of a buildup of schoolboyish resentment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I'd rather listen to Guillaume Tell 5 times straight than Troyens once.


    You're missing out on a great opera!!
    Ann

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post


    You're missing out on a great opera!!
    I've heard it. I've heard it.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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