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    I have and love the 54 Jochum Grand Tier......
    I'll give that Keilberth a try
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Always love your Wagner posts DA
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post



    Lohengrin: another strong performance from Bayreuth: 1953, Keilberth, with Windgassen, Steber, Varnay and Uhde. This was a great night for all concerned. Windgassen is not a real Lohengrin vocally, for my taste, but of course he's always an intelligent performer. The others are splendid, with Steber simply beautiful, Varnay wonderfully witchy and powerful, and Uhde the greatest of all Telramunds, as much victim as villain

    I don't care for the cast on Furty's 1954 studio Walkure (Modl, Rysanek, Suthaus, Frantz).

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    Well maybe they don't care for you, did you ever think of that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    But really, I don`t see what everyone has against this cast. Modl's voice actually sounds more distinctive on recording than anyone else in the part, and frantz has the darkest, heaviest Wotan and I feel like in the context of this music there's something to be said for that.

    Don't forget about Josef greindl's impossibly huge voice in Lohengrin, king Henry is a pretty big part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I heard this on youtube and the sound was horrible. Is that the case?
    When performances are good I can take a "less good sound"
    Do try yo find the CD as my original post is , that's the best one, ore if your in to vinyl: The Decca recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I don't care for the cast on Furty's 1954 studio Walkure (Modl, Rysanek, Suthaus, Frantz).
    When Leinsdorf's Walkure (the first to be released in stereo) came out the critics were divided between what was considered the better cast and recording on the Leinsdorf and the incomparable conducting on the Furtwangler. As the Record Guide put it: "There is nothing in Leinsdorf's conducting that effaces one bar of Furtwangler's inspired direction."

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    No one has yet brought up the 1951 Bayreuth Gotterdammerung under Knappertsbusch. I haven't heard it, but people say it's a powerful one, better even than his complete Bayreuth Ring from 1956, with Varnay in fresher voice as Brunnhilde. I'd expect this, of all the Ring operas, to bring out Kna's strengths as a Wagnerian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    No one has yet brought up the 1951 Bayreuth Gotterdammerung under Knappertsbusch. I haven't heard it, but people say it's a powerful one, better even than his complete Bayreuth Ring from 1956, with Varnay in fresher voice as Brunnhilde. I'd expect this, of all the Ring operas, to bring out Kna's strengths as a Wagnerian.
    The price tag has kept me at bay
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    The price tag has kept me at bay
    Yeah, likewise. But I know i'm going to break down some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Yeah, likewise. But I know i'm going to break down some day.
    Listening on youtube right now.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    This is a quite interesting recording:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    No one has yet brought up the 1951 Bayreuth Gotterdammerung under Knappertsbusch. I haven't heard it, but people say it's a powerful one, better even than his complete Bayreuth Ring from 1956, with Varnay in fresher voice as Brunnhilde. I'd expect this, of all the Ring operas, to bring out Kna's strengths as a Wagnerian.
    According to Culshaw Decca recorded all four parts of Kna's Ring that year but only Gotterdamerung was thought to be worth releasing. Of course it was delayed because of contractual problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    No one has yet brought up the 1951 Bayreuth Gotterdammerung under Knappertsbusch. I haven't heard it, but people say it's a powerful one, better even than his complete Bayreuth Ring from 1956, with Varnay in fresher voice as Brunnhilde. I'd expect this, of all the Ring operas, to bring out Kna's strengths as a Wagnerian.
    Listening on youtube right now.
    According to Culshaw Decca recorded all four parts of Kna's Ring that year but only Gotterdamerung was thought to be worth releasing. Of course it was delayed because of contractual problems.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=F_lAxKSfZZA

    Nice, I have not heard this before, very good sound for 1951 historic re-opening of Bayreuth......
    Astrid Varnay huge shoes to fill in Brunnhilde role, replaces some lady named Flagstadt

    I also will admire from afar, the price for Testament release at Amazon is painful
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-01-2015 at 01:05.

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    I picked these up recently 1960 Knappy and 1959 Leinsdorf both live Bayreuth and both very good sound, great golden age singers with Grummer singing Eva in both.....no one does it better

    http://www.norpete.com/

    These can be expensive at Amazon but vendor above has huge Myto sale now, $14 each for 4CD sets and $7 for 2CD sets, orders over $50 ship free with fast service!
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-01-2015 at 01:34.

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    ^^^^How's Wiener in that '59 set DA?
    He's a controversial singer
    Schock too

    I have the 60 set and like it very much.

    I'll check that place out DA. Thanks!!!!!!
    Last edited by Itullian; Apr-01-2015 at 01:42.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    ^^^^How's Wiener in that '59 set DA?
    He's a controversial singer
    Schock too

    I have the 60 set and like it very much.

    I'll check that place out DA. Thanks!!!!!!
    Definitely back the truck up....you will never see prices on Wagner Myto that low with free shipping!
    Good selection of other Myto recordings also like live Callas in better sound than EMI live

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