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    I really dislike the Jochum recording, especially for Domingo's excruciating Deutñol singing Walther. Good thing he would sound way more Germanic in every other Wagner recording, especially my introduction to Lohengrin.

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    volunteering for dodgy sound quality that prevent you from hearing the stunningly beautiful orchestral music that wagner wrote for this opera in order to listen to the frankly atrocious performances on historical recordings by the likes of otto wiener or hans hopf strikes me as perverse.
    I'm not one that really loves Die Meistersinger enough to listen once every month, but I usually like my Wagner collection to be coherent: very similar singers, similar sound quality, same orchestra. The Bayreuth broadcasts fulfil this expectation better than Solti, Karajan or Barenboim. I would happily count with the Decca Bayreuth stereo recordings, especially the Holländer, Ring and Parsifal. So far I own the Tristan, Parsifal and Ring from that Stereo collection, but usually Historical recordings fill my heart more because of the meaningful singing.

    That's why I may keep the Knappertsbusch Meistersinger from 1960 longer in my collection, because it fits with the rest of my Mono Wagner operas. Even if I own the Myto CDs of the premiere Tannhäuser from the Bayreuth 1961 season, I may buy the third performance released by Orfeo with that sale price. I just need to find the last Knappertsbusch Götterdämmerung from 1957 to complete my dream Ring (even if Böhm 1967 is my favourite of all time). After finding it, I would need to wait for Warner to release new editions of the Furtwängler Wagner recordings, I mean, a new prettier cover of the 1952 Tristan plus the bargain release of the RAI Ring with the Japanese Remaster.

    It isn't that complicated, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    I really dislike the Jochum recording, especially for Domingo's excruciating Deutñol singing Walther.
    I'm glad that it's not just me. I find him almost as unlistenable as DFD on that recording, for very different reasons. Every vowel sounds wrong, and too many of the consonants are missing.

    Good thing he would sound way more Germanic in every other Wagner recording, especially my introduction to Lohengrin.
    It's true - his German is better for Erik, Tannhauser, Lohengrin, Tristan, and Parsifal, but even there, it's pretty apparent that he really isn't singing text that he understands. There's an all-purpose, generic quality to all of it.


    I would need to wait for Warner to release new editions of the Furtwängler Wagner recordings, I mean, a new prettier cover of the 1952 Tristan plus the bargain release of the RAI Ring with the Japanese Remaster.
    It's astonishing that EMI/Warner hasn't done anything to improve that RAI RING sonically - the remastering currently in circulation is 30 years old, and sounds only marginally better than the Seraphim LP's that I bought in 1972.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    (...) , I would need to wait for Warner to release new editions of the Furtwängler Wagner recordings, I mean, a new prettier cover of the 1952 Tristan plus the bargain release of the RAI Ring with the Japanese Remaster.
    Count me in, Granate !

    I've been looking at Pristine Classical, but it's way more than I'm willing to pay for adding a Furtwängler's Ring to my collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincula View Post
    I've been looking at Pristine Classical, but it's way more than I'm willing to pay for adding a Furtwängler's Ring to my collection.
    Same here. I did listen to a sample at one point, and it sounded almost good enough to tempt me.

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    Note, too, that Furtwangler Sound has now issued the La Scala Ring:

    http://furtwanglersound.com/recordings/wagner/

    I wonder if the RAI will follow.

    Reviews to date suggest that the Furtwangler Sound transfers are generally better than the Pristine Classical ones. I can't comment on that myself. I'm a bit dubious of these companies that issue material only as downloads and/or CD-Rs. Under my climatic conditions, I find that a properly manufactured pressed CD will usually play perfectly after 35+ years, whereas even an unlabelled Taiyo Yuden CD-R may tend to deteriorate (usually from the 70-minute mark on) after 5-10 years, and a download will be lost when the drive on which it's loaded dies (1-5 years).
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    I’ve ordered CD’s from Pristine and I’m pretty sure they are just CD-R’s with a label stuck to them. I keep them in my music library after ripping the music to my Cowon MP3 player. I think Pristine does a great job on most purchases I’ve made.

    As for the Furtwangler Ring, I bought it more for Flagstad than anything else. Kna owns the Ring IMO.

    My dream is Kna conducting the Ring with Flagstad as Brünnhilde... one can dream!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvn View Post
    a download will be lost when the drive on which it's loaded dies (1-5 years).
    i can't imagine anyone who has a substantial digital library who would be crazy enough not to back up their music libraries on multiple drives.

    i'm pretty lazy about backing mine up but i refresh my backup to an external drive every few months at least. i also travel with my backup so a house fire or a burglary while i'm gone won't wipe me out. i still have cd rips from when i digitized my entire collection around 15 years ago several computers and many hard drives later in my library.

    i personally consider the furtwangler scala ring from pristine one of the best purchases i've made in the past few years. i don't always feel that way about my pristine purchases--i kind of went nuts with buying horenstein and furtwangler symphonic recordings i don't really listen to much, and i never listen to the krauss ring anymore--but the scala ring along with the desormiere pelleas and the warren/bjorling rigoletto are in my very active rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Music Snob View Post
    I’ve ordered CD’s from Pristine and I’m pretty sure they are just CD-R’s with a label stuck to them.
    In that case, are they worth buying? Do we know what bitrate they have on them? I've not purchased anything from Pristine yet, but I'd love to get the Leinsdorf Tannhäuser. I'm wondering if I should just stick with either the 24-bit or 16-bit FLAC. Maybe the 24-bit is overkill considering the age of these recordings. Any thoughts on this?

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    I think they are 16 bit. The purchases come with free MP3 at 320 kbps downloads. When the CD’s arrive I rip them in FLAC and then listen through my Cown Plenue.

    I’ve put some thought into this but others may have greater knowledge and may disagree... here goes... I like CD’s, I like having them for my library. I do not have the time and wherewithal to download the music and print the labels right now. From what I learned, CD’s aren’t designed for 24 bit, nor is it necessary for “Historical” recordings. True 24 bit would have to be recorded as such in the very beginning of the recording process which obviously isn’t possible for any historical recordings we would be listening to.

    I used to deceive myself into thinking I was some kind of audiophile- I am not. I do know that everywhere I go there is background noise. I do not listen in a vacuum. For example, I may be on the road, at home I may be near the fridge or a/c in the background, etc. So what was the point in thinking I had perfect sound quality? As I became enamored with the mono sound of historical recordings I became less bothered with surface noise and the like. I listen now for quality of conducting and singing. For all the minutiae of orchestration I may put on a modern recording but most times the modern recordings don’t have the same quality conducting or singing as the historical versions, IMO.

    As for FLAC vs MP3, I learned that FLAC enables you to keep making copies without losing data over time while MP3 copies will degenerate with each copy. So I use FLAC but don’t deceive myself anymore into thinking I can tell the difference (except for no breaks in between numbers with FLAC).

    The Tannhäuser is worth it! In whatever format you buy it! Trust me! I don’t always think Pristine is worth it, but for Tannhäuser I rarely turn to no other!

    As an aside, I bought the Bychov Lohengrin which was supposed to have incredible sound quality, but to my ears it does not. The quiets are too quiet and the loudspeaker too loud. Anyone back me up on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Same here. I did listen to a sample at one point, and it sounded almost good enough to tempt me.
    I listened to a sample of the RAI Ring on Pristine and compared it with the latest EMI release, but they sounded the same to my ear.

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    Not to derail the current conversation, but I just wanted to note in this thread that I'm finding the Krauss/Bayreuth 1953 Ring to be absolutely outstanding, and this is coming from a guy with next to zero prior experience with the Ring. The singing, the conducting! As for the music itself, I am really blown away. This is just as great as I always expected it would be. I've never had so much patience for opera before. I've two down (Rheingold & Walküre), two to go. I will likely space it out, but I'll try and finish the final two Ring operas before month-end. While I do want a stereo Ring at some point, count me a member of "team mono Wagner" ... as long as the sound quality is as good as it is here.

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    I ordered the 1952 Furtwangler Tristan so I will be blasting some mono Wagner soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Music Snob View Post
    As for FLAC vs MP3, I learned that FLAC enables you to keep making copies without losing data over time while MP3 copies will degenerate with each copy.
    this is not accurate. one digital copy is identical to another digital copy, it's literally numerical code that is the same between two things (i.e. "a copy").

    what you probably are thinking of is that it's not recommended to convert from one lossy format to another, or to re-compress from an already compressed source because the result will be worse than an equal bitrate compression or conversion from a non-lossy format. So a 256 kbps mp3 compressed from a FLAC may sound better than a 256 kbps mp3 compressed from a 320 kbps mp3 (although it may not--a 320 kbps mp3 is a very high quality source. but it's not recommended). But you can create a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy ad infinitum and the quality of the 10,000th copy will be identical to the quality of the first.

    i personally prefer 320 kbps mp3s. they're portable, can be played by any player, about half the size of flacs, and from a lot of comparison testing trying very hard to hear it, i can't tell the difference between 320 kbps and a lossless source. i can definitely hear the difference with 160, i can hear it some of the time (enough to be distracting and annoying) with 192, and can virtually never tell the difference with 256. So, 320 is plenty for me. When i do buy a higher quality source like a cd or flac, i convert it to 320 and give away or throw away the cd and throw away the flac files.
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    Thank you- I stand corrected. I have tried my best to understand all these formats and it is not always easy. I thank you for the clarification.

    My manager at work was telling me a few years ago that Neil Young was trying to develop a 24bit technology CD and player for better sound quality. In my mind I was thinking, “ Who needs to hear Neil Young in 24 bit?” I guess to each there own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I ordered the 1952 Furtwangler Tristan so I will be blasting some mono Wagner soon!
    Awesome! You won’t regret it!
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