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    I'm sure this recording has been mentioned more than once in this thread but I'll mention it again.
    I just listened to this recording and it had me on the edge of my seat from first note to last.
    I have never heard the opening of this Opera conducted so excitingly. I could hardly believe it. There's an occasional bit of wonkiness after that but WOW!!! Incredible stuff and I cannot recommend this recording more highly.




    Agree Damian classic for sure with the great singers in prime voice, even better this 2CD Naxos Walkure release also includes parts of Act 2 by Walter 1935 and in 1938 completion of Act 2 by conductor Seidler-Winkler, too bad so limited number of Wagner recordings for Walter.....

    For fans of 1950s Bayreuth Rings a great treat to hear a very young Hans Hotter as wotan and compare to his later mature performances......

    Also while filling buy basket with Naxos Wagner CDs might as well get the 1936 Tristan with Melchior & Flagstad

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    I came across this snippet from the vengeance trio from Gotterdammerung with Nilsson/Grendl/Stewart in 1965. What voices and what stage presences. Nilsson and Stewart looked so convincing as the characters they were playing, and Grendl was downright creepy.



    Those were the days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentio View Post
    I came across this snippet from the vengeance trio from Gotterdammerung with Nilsson/Grendl/Stewart in 1965. What voices and what stage presences. Nilsson and Stewart looked so convincing as the characters they were playing, and Grendl was downright creepy.



    Those were the days!
    Pity it isn't longer.

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    Wagner "Die Meistersinger" / Karajan conducts the Bayruth Festival Orchestra and Chorus 1951 live

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    Quote Originally Posted by pariah View Post
    Wagner "Die Meistersinger" / Karajan conducts the Bayruth Festival Orchestra and Chorus 1951 live
    There's a perfection to this recording that makes it eminently recommendable. Were I a bigger fan of the opera I would have bought it, but there's some very good competition (Kna in 55 and the justly famous Kubelik).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post


    Agree Damian classic for sure with the great singers in prime voice, even better this 2CD Naxos Walkure release also includes parts of Act 2 by Walter 1935 and in 1938 completion of Act 2 by conductor Seidler-Winkler, too bad so limited number of Wagner recordings for Walter.....

    For fans of 1950s Bayreuth Rings a great treat to hear a very young Hans Hotter as wotan and compare to his later mature performances......

    Also while filling buy basket with Naxos Wagner CDs might as well get the 1936 Tristan with Melchior & Flagstad

    Thank you. I'll definitely check those both out.

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    Finally got a chance to pick this set up fairly cheap.
    I had the Rheingold in another box set and loved it, but this set
    was hard to get at a reasonable price,
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    I happened across this enlightening disc in the local record store a while back - picked it up on a whim. As it turned out, the 1948 recordings of Isolde's Narrative/Curse and the Liebestod filled the gap between my 1936 Reiner and Furtwangler 1952. I hadn't heard any of Flagstad's work from the 1940s before listening to these studio recordings. She's in a slightly fresher voice than in the Furtwangler, but then again, these are short excerpts - with a rather obscure conductor at the helm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celloman View Post


    I happened across this enlightening disc in the local record store a while back - picked it up on a whim. As it turned out, the 1948 recordings of Isolde's Narrative/Curse and the Liebestod filled the gap between my 1936 Reiner and Furtwangler 1952. I hadn't heard any of Flagstad's work from the 1940s before listening to these studio recordings. She's in a slightly fresher voice than in the Furtwangler, but then again, these are short excerpts - with a rather obscure conductor at the helm.
    Greetings Celloman-

    This is the CD that opened up the world of Flagstad for me. Unsurpassed Wesendonck Lieder, IMO, and if not unsurpassed, the rest is as good as it gets. Immolation, Elizabeth’s Prayer, Liebestod, etc.

    I can not recommend this CD enough... however, if anyone wants a more complete EMI set, the ICON 5cd set has all this and more.

    I still have to review the Bodanzky 1937 Tristan, and the Walhall, Immortal, and The 40’s Label incarnations... I just haven’t gotten around to writing about it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celloman View Post


    I happened across this enlightening disc in the local record store a while back - picked it up on a whim. As it turned out, the 1948 recordings of Isolde's Narrative/Curse and the Liebestod filled the gap between my 1936 Reiner and Furtwangler 1952. I hadn't heard any of Flagstad's work from the 1940s before listening to these studio recordings. She's in a slightly fresher voice than in the Furtwangler, but then again, these are short excerpts - with a rather obscure conductor at the helm.
    Flagstad in 1948 was still in very close to prime vocal estate. Her voice had taken on a darker, richer color which I personally love, while not yet showing the effort on high notes we hear in 1952. That "narrative and curse" really gives us an idea of the force of nature she was.

    Issay Dobrowen was a distinguished conductor in his day. He made a number of recordings with major orchestras and soloists, but is probably best remembered now as the conductor of Boris Christoff's first, mono recording of Boris Godunov.

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    There is a new series of excerpts from the Ring someone just posted on Youtube featuring Traubel that are stunning. Her voice is so glorious.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHpejh09MmU I don't know much about them but Herbert Janssen, her Wotan, has a voice of amazing beauty. I think she is underrated by a good bit. She has a gargantuan, beautiful instrument.

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    Traubel is really wonderful in this recording of Act III. Janssen was a great singer but I'm not sure why he attempted Wotan.

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    Yes, Herbert Janssen did not have a Wotan voice. He moved into heavier roles after he moved to the US. Whether he was steered by Met management or chose such roles himself, I am not sure, but his voice lost that lovely bloom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mai View Post
    Yes, Herbert Janssen did not have a Wotan voice. He moved into heavier roles after he moved to the US. Whether he was steered by Met management or chose such roles himself, I am not sure, but his voice lost that lovely bloom.
    Probably a combination of both. After Schorr retired, and during the war when Huehn was unavailable, there really wasn't anyone else on the Met roster to sing Wotan. Janssen had an essentially lyric voice, and the Met had no shortage of such voices to sing those roles. And let's face it - when management came to Janssen and asked, the temptation to sing one of THE Wagnerian roles was too much to resist.

    BTW, Marston is releasing a comprehensive set of Janssen's recordings. Not sure of the release date.

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