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    Listen to any more of these DA?

    I haven't received the '52 set yet. Can't wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Listen to any more of these DA?

    I haven't received the '52 set yet. Can't wait.
    I have the complete 1952 Myto Keilberth Ring now, and the 1958 Walhall Knappy Ring are just starting to arrive.......

    The 1952 Keilberth orchestrally is similar to Bohm Ring with more driven sound overall and faster timings, a nice contrast to Knappy's more majestic and monumental approach. I was again listening to act 3 of walkure with Hans Hotter and Astrid Varnay and this maybe Hotter's best Wotan performance (or very very close) the depth of characterization and flexibility of tone is really special, so passionate and dramatic in his delivery yet supple and golden toned.......we feel his angst and love for Brunnhilde and he puts her to sleep and laments the mistakes he has made, we have to own this Ring set.....



    I did do short listening to Knappy 1958 on main stereo and sound is really excellent, we hit the jackpot again......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I have the complete 1952 Myto Keilberth Ring now, and the 1958 Walhall Knappy Ring are just starting to arrive.......

    The 1952 Keilberth orchestrally is similar to Bohm Ring with more driven sound overall and faster timings, a nice contrast to Knappy's more majestic and monumental approach. I was again listening to act 3 of walkure with Hans Hotter and Astrid Varney and this maybe Hotter's best Wotan performance (or very very close) the depth of characterization and flexibility of tone is really special, so passionate and dramatic in his delivery yet supple and golden toned.......we feel his angst and love for Brunnhilde and he puts her to sleep and laments the mistakes he has made, we have to own this Ring set.....



    I did do short listening to Knappy 1958 on main stereo and sound is really excellent, we hit the jackpot again......
    Yeah, you said it.
    I've been checking out what I can on youtube and cant wait to get them.
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    What's your opinion on Treptow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    What's your opinion on Treptow?
    He sings Siegmund acts 1,2 with Inge Borkh as Sieglinde.......will get back to you on that

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    Importcds has fancied up their website
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I have the complete 1952 Myto Keilberth Ring now, and the 1958 Walhall Knappy Ring are just starting to arrive.......

    The 1952 Keilberth orchestrally is similar to Bohm Ring with more driven sound overall and faster timings, a nice contrast to Knappy's more majestic and monumental approach. I was again listening to act 3 of walkure with Hans Hotter and Astrid Varnay and this maybe Hotter's best Wotan performance (or very very close) the depth of characterization and flexibility of tone is really special, so passionate and dramatic in his delivery yet supple and golden toned.......we feel his angst and love for Brunnhilde and he puts her to sleep and laments the mistakes he has made, we have to own this Ring set.....



    I did do short listening to Knappy 1958 on main stereo and sound is really excellent, we hit the jackpot again......
    For comparison I got out the 1967 Bayreuth Bohm walkure act 3 with Theo Adam (wotan) and Nilsson (brunnhilde) the sound quality is better with Bohm vs 1952 Keilberth especially with orchestral sections (this should be our standard to judge other Bayreuth live recordings, our sound measuring stick)

    I will take 52 Hotter over Theo Adam any day. For me Adam is too light toned for Wotan and does not have the commanding presence or vocal gravitas of Hotter, also Hotter more skillfully nuanced in his delivery and more effectively reveals many layers of wotans emotional state. For Brunnhilde Nilsson and Varnay each very skilled and each with distinctive sound. Varnay has a richer more amber toned sound that I really like for certain passages, especially where there is sadness or pathos, very moving. Nilsson is brighter tone with sharper accents that can really carry the day in action sequences, demands your attention with her vocal prowess......both impressive in different ways


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    ^^^^^^^Yes, I would expect the Bohm set in stereo to have the better sound.
    It compares well to the 55 set.
    Are you disappointed DA?

    These mono sets are good though and have great casts.
    But you're right on Adam. I never liked his sound much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    ^^^^^^^Yes, I would expect the Bohm set in stereo to have the better sound.
    It compares well to the 55 set.
    Are you disappointed DA?
    No not at all disappointed with 1952 Keilberth sound, just saying that the Bohm Bayreuth Ring represents about the best possible live sound quality available at Bayreuth during the 1950-60 period, and can be used as a comparison in discussions for how close other live Rings come to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    No not at all disappointed with 1952 Keilberth sound, just saying that the Bohm Bayreuth Ring represents about the best possible live sound quality available at Bayreuth during the 1950-60 period, and can be used as a comparison in discussions for how close other live Rings come to it
    I thought that's what you meant.
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    Keilberth 52 still not here
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    Itullian lets see where we stand so far with live Bayreuth Ring sets from the 1950s

    Keilberth 1952

    Krauss 1953

    Keilberth 1955

    Knappy 1956

    Knappy 1958

    continued.....
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    Kempe 1960

    I love all these, how does one choose among this field, so much Wagner so little time.......

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    Well DA, it's not easy

    My 52 Keilbeth is still shipping so you have me there.
    Next month I'll be ordering one or both of the Knappy 57 or 58. I cant decide between um.

    With the 53 Krauss, I have this special issue available only at importcds now and I love it.


    And for the Knappy 56 I have the ORFEO, very nice.



    Otherwise we'e the same.

    You have the added burden of keeping up on all the Callas reissues, where an old fan like me is happy with my old 60s and 70s acquisitions.

    I usually get in an Act or 2 of Richy a day.
    How do you do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Well DA, it's not easy

    You have the added burden of keeping up on all the Callas reissues, where an old fan like me is happy with my old 60s and 70s acquisitions.

    I usually get in an Act or 2 of Richy a day.

    How do you do it?
    I do not listen to Wagner everyday.......I have too many other opera albums, plus even more non vocal classical music. On top of that I have even more rock/metal albums, there is not enough time in the day!

    I do not listen to music during my daytime job so usually I watch TV muted so I can listen to music at the same time and be active on computer

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