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    Ah, my rock time is pretty limited these days and pretty limited to Tull, Dylan and the classic rock crowd.
    But in the evening I usually can get in some Wagner. It's funny, i'm usually in the mood for certain acts.
    Lately it's been Act 2's of Walkure, Siegfried and Gotter.
    The lesser played ones I guess.
    And I squeezed in my new Mefistofele last few days.
    I work from home a lot so that helps.

    The TV muted thing works great.
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    That Bohm set.............. if it only wasn't for Adam...............what a set it would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    No not at all disappointed with 1952 Keilberth sound, just saying that the Bohm Bayreuth Ring represents about the best possible live sound quality available at Bayreuth during the 1950-60 period, and can be used as a comparison in discussions for how close other live Rings come to it
    Mike Ashman wrote of the Bohm Ring in the Gramophone

    The recording is not one of the great essays at pointing microphones in the Festspielhaus. The mistakes in ensemble are hard to square with Festival standards, or with Böhm’s customary precision. Most vitally, his conducting sounds vague and unconnected either to the work or to any distinct view of it, gainsaying the set’s vocal and dramatic pleasures.

    I have the set and am amazed at the way Bohm rushes through the score with little light and shade, though some of this may be due to the recording.

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    He is a bit fast and I do prefer a more expansive approach, but I think the sound is fine. Not perfect, but good stereo.

    I do find it rather exciting.

    Last edited by Itullian; Apr-25-2015 at 02:31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    That Bohm set.............. if it only wasn't for Adam...............what a set it would be.
    Yes I would prefer another Wotan with a deeper more commanding vocal presence, someone must like Theo Adam though because he is also wotan in the Janowski Ring.......

    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-25-2015 at 01:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Yes I would prefer another Wotan with a deeper more commanding vocal presence, someone must like Theo Adam though because he is also wotan in the Janowski Ring.......

    He was all over in those days with his somewhat light, gravely voice.
    i don't get it myself.
    A lot of Meisters too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Mike Ashman wrote of the Bohm Ring in the Gramophone

    The recording is not one of the great essays at pointing microphones in the Festspielhaus. The mistakes in ensemble are hard to square with Festival standards, or with Böhm’s customary precision. Most vitally, his conducting sounds vague and unconnected either to the work or to any distinct view of it, gainsaying the set’s vocal and dramatic pleasures.

    I have the set and am amazed at the way Bohm rushes through the score with little light and shade, though some of this may be due to the recording.
    He is rather fast and I do prefer a more expansive approach, but I think the sound is fine. Not perfect, but good stereo.
    I do find it rather exciting in places. And a fun listen.
    I decided I better check for myself about whether the impression that Bohm has swift tempos is indeed backed up by overall timings or just a wagner myth we keep spreading, the answer is yes he is in fact one of the fastest tempo but 52 Keilberth and 53 Krauss are almost the same timings for the opera Walkure in total minutes.......

    210 - Bohm
    211 - Krauss
    212 - Keilberth 1952
    225 - Kempe 1960
    228 - Solti
    234 - Knappy 1958
    236 - Karajan

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I decided I better check for myself about whether the impression that Bohm has swift tempos is indeed backed up by overall timings or just a wagner myth we keep spreading, the answer is yes he is in fact one of the fastest tempo but 52 Keilberth and 53 Krauss are almost the same timings for the opera Walkure in total minutes.......

    210 - Bohm
    211 - Krauss
    212 - Keilberth 1952
    225 - Kempe 1960
    228 - Solti
    234 - Knappy 1958
    236 - Karajan
    Great idea DA!!!!
    Maybe really not so fast then over 4 hours
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    I'd like to get into the non Ring historical recordings as well if you'd like DA.
    I'm kinda lacking there i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I'd like to get into the non Ring historical recordings as well if you'd like DA.
    I'm kinda lacking there i think.
    All we have to do is mention the perfect fool Parsifal and duck will be here in a flash give us all the top recordings.....

    I did just recently get the famous 1951 Knappy Parsifal, the sound was better than I expected and Amazon sellers have it for $7 new......important reference performance

    Dream team cast with young Windgassen as Parsifal, Martha Modl as Kundry etc

    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-25-2015 at 03:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    All we have to do is mention the perfect fool Parsifal and duck will be here in a flash give us all the top recordings.....
    HA, He likes that 62 Knappy, i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    All we have to do is mention the perfect fool Parsifal and duck will be here in a flash give us all the top recordings.....

    I did just recently get the famous 1951 Knappy Parsifal, the sound was better than I expected and Amazon sellers have it for $7 new......important reference performance

    Dream team cast with young Windgassen as Parsifal, Martha Modl as Kundry etc

    I've been eyeing that one DA. OH, my wallet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    All we have to do is mention the perfect fool Parsifal and duck will be here in a flash give us all the top recordings.....

    I did just recently get the famous 1951 Knappy Parsifal, the sound was better than I expected and Amazon sellers have it for $7 new......important reference performance

    Dream team cast with young Windgassen as Parsifal, Martha Modl as Kundry etc

    How are these zyx issues packaged DA? Jewel cases or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    HA, He likes that 62 Knappy, i think.
    Yeah, in the '62 Kna is a little livelier and makes it flow better, and the sound is definitely superior. Tastes in singers vary; I think Dalis is a better singer than Modl, and Thomas more mellifluous than Windgassen, who never sounded young even when he was (IMO). Hotter is incomparably noble as Gurnemanz, even past his prime. But the '51 has the amazing Hermann Uhde, the most psychotic Klingsor ever. It's a good recording to have, but you must have the '62, whatever else you own. The ethereal "Bayreuth sound" is palpable (assuming the ethereal can be palpable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Yeah, in the '62 Kna is a little livelier and makes it flow better, and the sound is definitely superior. Tastes in singers vary; I think Dalis is a better singer than Modl, and Thomas more mellifluous than Windgassen, who never sounded young even when he was (IMO). Hotter is incomparably noble as Gurnemanz, even past his prime. But the '51 has the amazing Hermann Uhde, the most psychotic Klingsor ever. It's a good recording to have, but you must have the '62, whatever else you own. The ethereal "Bayreuth sound" is palpable (assuming the ethereal can be palpable).
    At ease innocent one, we both own '62 Knappy.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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