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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    At ease innocent one, we both own '62 Knappy.
    Then you are safe and secure, and I shall not worry for your immortal souls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    He was all over in those days with his somewhat light, gravely voice.
    i don't get it myself.
    A lot of Meisters too.
    Bit like Ferdinand Franz

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    All we have to do is mention the perfect fool Parsifal and duck will be here in a flash give us all the top recordings.....

    I did just recently get the famous 1951 Knappy Parsifal, the sound was better than I expected and Amazon sellers have it for $7 new......important reference performance

    Dream team cast with young Windgassen as Parsifal, Martha Modl as Kundry etc

    I must confess I found this far too slow and lacking in drama. Wagner actually urged Hermann Levi not to be too slow in this work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I decided I better check for myself about whether the impression that Bohm has swift tempos is indeed backed up by overall timings or just a wagner myth we keep spreading, the answer is yes he is in fact one of the fastest tempo but 52 Keilberth and 53 Krauss are almost the same timings for the opera Walkure in total minutes.......

    210 - Bohm
    211 - Krauss
    212 - Keilberth 1952
    225 - Kempe 1960
    228 - Solti
    234 - Knappy 1958
    236 - Karajan
    It is not just a matter of tempi but Bohm gives little light and shade compared with (say) Krauss or even Janowski 1.

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    ^^^^^^^^So the Bohm's too fast and the Knappy's too slow.
    You're a hard man to please DavidA.

    I think they're both excellent and enjoy them very much
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    It is not just a matter of tempi but Bohm gives little light and shade compared with (say) Krauss or even Janowski 1.
    There is some truth to that, even though timings for walkure are almost identical I would agree that Krauss achieves more "contrast" to his performance emotionally and musically.......that being said I still like the Bohm Ring (inspite of Theo Adam)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    How are these zyx issues packaged DA? Jewel cases or what?
    Just like Myto, jewel cases with minimal booklet showing track listing.......but they are extremely cheap, I have purchased everyone of ZYX label for wagner

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    My Keilberth '52 set arrived!!!!

    Where do i start DA?
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    My Keilberth '52 set arrived!!!!

    Where do i start DA?
    I mentioned earlier 1952 Hans Hotter as wotan will spoil you so commanding and emotionally nuanced in his performance showing many sides of wotan as he evloves, and young Varnay a beautiful sensitive Brunnhilde with such a tender touch when called for.......you know I always go to act 3 of walkure to get the feel of these two main characters interacting
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-26-2015 at 02:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I mentioned earlier 1952 Hans Hotter as wotan will spoil you so commanding and emotionally nuanced in his performance showing many sides of wotan as he evloves, and young Varnay a beautiful sensitive Brunnhilde with such a tender touch when called for.......you know I always go to act 3 of walkure to get the feel of these two main characters interacting
    Will be the first place i go DA
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    I hope I am not getting carried away with all this wagner buying frenzy thinking everything sounds great.......but I think you will be pleased

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I hope I am not getting carried away with all this wagner buying frenzy thinking everything sounds great.......but I think you will be pleased
    It does sound great. WOW, I am pleased. Better than youtube. Amd just think,
    this was over 60 years ago!! What voices.
    I'll be up late tonight DA
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Hey DA
    Check out this cast.............

    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    ^^^^^^^^So the Bohm's too fast and the Knappy's too slow.
    You're a hard man to please DavidA.

    I think they're both excellent and enjoy them very much
    As the paying customer I have a right to be. Same in a restaurant if the food isn't to my taste.

    It's not a matter of speeds, actually. The Bohm has too little light and shade. Moments are just passed over. The Kna is undramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    As the paying customer I have a right to be. Same in a restaurant if the food isn't to my taste.

    It's not a matter of speeds, actually. The Bohm has too little light and shade. Moments are just passed over. The Kna is undramatic.
    OK mate. To each his own you know.
    i enjoy Bohm's directness and Knaps relaxed view.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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