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    Default Live from the Met: Turandot with Christine Goerke, Yusif Eyvazov, Eleonora Buratto

    So, this is coming up this Saturday at our local cinemas. It looks like the same Zeffirelli staging as a 1989 performance I have with Eva Marton and Domingo (a shriek-fest). But the staging is beautiful. I have never heard Goerke sing anything from Turandot, although I was meh about her Walküre last season.

    It worries me that I have never even heard of either the tenor singing Calàf or the soprano singing Liù. What say ye? What should I expect? YNS, maligned here rather much of late for his vocal "coaching," is conducting. Are you going to go?

    https://www.metopera.org/season/in-c...ot-live-in-hd/

    Kind regards,

    George
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    Although a devoted fan of Puccini, I will not go to see it. The singers are completely unequipped for these parts, and the exceprts the met has posted (to entice us or drive us away?) are quite bad. Goerke is flat, coreless, and basically shrieking the top notes. Eyvazov has a white and colorless voice, totally underwhelming as Calaf.

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    Goerke is better in Wagner where the top notes are not so important. She often goes flat in the stratosphere. It is interesting that in the clip of her on Youtube in In Questa Regia, it cuts out before the high notes. Maybe for good reason. She was often flat 15 years ago in Norma in Seattle before the voice got so gargantuan.

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    I paid my 20€ at the theatre to book the ticket. I intended to do a Turandot challenge and listen to every recording and choose my favourite, so prior to that I wanted to watch a good production and nothing better than the Zefirelli one. I do have hopes for YNS, but I didn't know you considered the cast so poorly.

    What do you mean by "YNS, maligned here rather much of late for his vocal "coaching" do you mean this loose video essay?



    Was this video discussed in another thread? Because I'd love to bash the hell out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    I paid my 20€ at the theatre to book the ticket. I intended to do a Turandot challenge and listen to every recording and choose my favourite, so prior to that I wanted to watch a good production and nothing better than the Zefirelli one. I do have hopes for YNS, but I didn't know you considered the cast so poorly.

    What do you mean by "YNS, maligned here rather much of late for his vocal "coaching" do you mean this loose video essay?



    Was this video discussed in another thread? Because I'd love to bash the hell out of it.
    Posted on YouTube by a bunch of self-appointed 'experts' I believe! 'nuff said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Posted on YouTube by a bunch of self-appointed 'experts' I believe! 'nuff said!
    I've been scrolling through the channel. Only interested in chest singing over everything, comparing modern singers in a live production with old singers in their prime in their best night and conditions. (you won't hear there a post 59s Callas suffering the Lucia tessitura after a long period without singing). Since it got to put Bad singing vs good singing the views rocketed and they don't talk about anything else since.

    Edit: I found the thread! Diving into it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Posted on YouTube by a bunch of self-appointed 'experts' I believe! 'nuff said!
    Name-calling proves nothing. When you know nothing about a subject, it's best to keep quiet about those who know something.
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    By all means Go! It will be a fun day.
    Yusif Ayvazov(sp?) is the husband of Anna Netrebko and has a fine tenor voice. Maybe not in your top ten but decent enough to pull off Calaf.
    The genius of the piece however is Puccini.
    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Name-calling proves nothing. When you know nothing about a subject, it's best to keep quiet about those who know something.

    What was incorrect about my statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    What was incorrect about my statement?
    That's the wrong question. Calling people "self-appointed experts" is insulting, particularly when your own knowledge of the subject of singing is clearly less than theirs. "Nuff said" only makes you look like a self-appointed something-or-other, since it isn't up to you to decide when enough has been said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    That's the wrong question. Calling people "self-appointed experts" is insulting, particularly when your own knowledge of the subject of singing is clearly less than theirs. "Nuff said" only makes you look like a self-appointed something-or-other, since it isn't up to you to decide when enough has been said.
    So you have experience as an opera singer then so you can make a judgment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    So you have experience as an opera singer then so you can make a judgment?
    Again, wrong question. Whether or not I'm a singer or a serious student of singing (I've been both, and you've been neither), I know stubborn ignorance and aggressive presumptuousness when I see them. My point is: you need to stop trolling us with ignorant criticisms and pointless provocations. It's sickening, and it poisons the atmosphere here for people who actually care about what's being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barelytenor View Post
    So, this is coming up this Saturday at our local cinemas. It looks like the same Zeffirelli staging as a 1989 performance I have with Eva Marton and Domingo (a shriek-fest). But the staging is beautiful. I have never heard Goerke sing anything from Turandot, although I was meh about her Walküre last season.

    It worries me that I have never even heard of either the tenor singing Calàf or the soprano singing Liù. What say ye? What should I expect? YNS, maligned here rather much of late for his vocal "coaching," is conducting. Are you going to go?

    https://www.metopera.org/season/in-c...ot-live-in-hd/

    Kind regards,

    George
    I just heard it tonight and plan to see the HD production. Goerke was "on" tonight even though she managed an off-key moment (so who cares?) and I credit her for doing a fine job with an extremely difficult part.
    Eyvazov was very able for Calaf and he has a much finer voice than is credited to him.
    The new Liu was a delight and was given a solo bow at curtain calls.
    YNS is a superb conductor so please don't go by one thing that you read. The Met is lucky to have him.
    Go and enjoy it. You won't be disappointed. With Puccini leading the parade, how can you miss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Again, wrong question. Whether or not I'm a singer or a serious student of singing (I've been both, and you've been neither), I know stubborn ignorance and aggressive presumptuousness when I see them. My point is: you need to stop trolling us with ignorant criticisms and pointless provocations. It's sickening, and it poisons the atmosphere here for people who actually care about what's being discussed.
    I do actually know a lot more about singing that you give me credit (being married to a former professional musician who is also a singer and having other professional musicians in my family) which is why your posts make me raise certain questions. But it's just that some of us are a little more self-deprecating about our knowledge. But as you can't seem to answer a question without going in for your usual kind of character assassination just leave it at that. Please just read what you yourself put (is it not 'aggressive'?) before you accuse others of 'poisoning the atmosphere'! I believe music lovers ought to be able to disagree in a spirit of mutual respect and friendship.
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