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    1. I'm sorry doesn't amend the article. 2. The statement you made in the article was, in fact, absolutely ridiculous and lacking any evidence except your own opinion. That is not reliable research. I cited a founded opinion of an expert in the field. That is reliable research.
    3. Calling people names is hardly a way to argue for your position.

    Touché indeed

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    1. “I’m sorry” does not amend the article.

    2. Your statement in the article, that I responded to, is, in fact, unsubstantiated by any evidence except your own opinion. That is flawed research.

    3. I cited the published findings of an expert in the field (Mr. Quarrington) to refute your statement. That is how research is done.

    4. “While you may encounter good and bad players who learned either Simandl or Rabbath, you will never encounter a bad bassist who has mastered Simandl. Once he or she masters it, they will inevitably be good because the techniques are sound. Rabbath, on the other hand, can be mastered by a student who still sounds bad”. That is a ridiculous statement, by any standard.

    5. Calling people names (such as idiot) does not help your argument.

    Nowhere has anyone stated, “Simandl is bad”.

    Finally, I should commend you on your passion for the double bass, which I share with you, passion which is evident in your article.

    Touché indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quenoil86 View Post
    1. “I’m sorry” does not amend the article.
    I can't amend the article. I would have to request a moderator to do it and I would have to have a compelling reason. You get a small window to edit your article and once it's gone, you can't edit it anymore. Once it's there, it's always there.

    2. Your statement in the article, that I responded to, is, in fact, unsubstantiated by any evidence except your own opinion. That is flawed research.
    What statement? Apparently my apology and admission that I was out of line didn't cover that statement.

    3. I cited the published findings of an expert in the field (Mr. Quarrington) to refute your statement. That is how research is done.
    I don't care what he said. I apologized because I simply realized I said something I should not have said. That I caused offense making an assertion where offense was inevitable. It was an unfair thing to do so I apologized vow not to do it again.

    4. “While you may encounter good and bad players who learned either Simandl or Rabbath, you will never encounter a bad bassist who has mastered Simandl. Once he or she masters it, they will inevitably be good because the techniques are sound. Rabbath, on the other hand, can be mastered by a student who still sounds bad”. That is a ridiculous statement, by any standard.
    I totally agree. That's why I retract that statement and apologize for it and will not make any future statements of that type. I can only apologize so many times before it becomes a bore for others to read. I said I was wrong, I said I was sorry--I have to assume you don't accept that apology. I can't help that. It's all I can do.

    5. Calling people names (such as idiot) does not help your argument.
    Anybody who says one system is inherently worse than the other is an idiot and that includes me. Study whichever one you want to. Study them both--many people have.

    Nowhere has anyone stated, “Simandl is bad”.
    Oh, yes, they have. And they are as wrong as I was to put Rabbath's method down. Really, can we give this a rest? I apologized, I said I was wrong, I can't edit the post anymore. Just give it a rest, please.

    Finally, I should commend you on your passion for the double bass, which I share with you, passion which is evident in your article.

    Touché indeed
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Redseal View Post
    I can't amend the article. I would have to request a moderator to do it and I would have to have a compelling reason. You get a small window to edit your article and once it's gone, you can't edit it anymore. Once it's there, it's always there.>

    Oh, sorry, I'm new here and didn't know that. I will consider your retraction here as sufficient, but if you are going to publish it elsewhere I would suggest rewording that section. It has good information, I don't want to see it clouded by some extraneous stuff.


    <Oh, yes, they have. And they are as wrong as I was to put Rabbath's method down. Really, can we give this a rest? I apologized, I said I was wrong, I can't edit the post anymore. Just give it a rest, please.>

    Well, I did't say it. I can tell you I started with Simandl and still use some of the material. Especially for orchestral playing.My contention is that it isn't the best method to start with. I believe Rabbath isn't genre specific and hence doesn't create a narrow path to playing the bass.

    I am done with this as well.

    Thank you.
    And thank you, again, for sharing your passion for the bass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quenoil86 View Post
    And thank you, again, for sharing your passion for the bass.
    You're very welcome, Quenoil86!
    "God," asked Adam, "why did you make Eve so beautiful?"
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    And He replied, "So that she could love you."

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    Default Photo of Herman Reinshagen

    Hi, Herman Reinshagen was my Great-Uncle. I have no pictures of him with his Bass, but do have one excellent family photo of him that I could share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Grissino View Post
    Hi, Herman Reinshagen was my Great-Uncle. I have no pictures of him with his Bass, but do have one excellent family photo of him that I could share.
    Yes, please, if you don't mind.
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    "But God," asked Adam, "why did you make her so stupid?"
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    I’m new to the forum, so I’m not able to upload photos. Is there an e-mail address I could send it to?

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    Can you PM it?/////
    "God," asked Adam, "why did you make Eve so beautiful?"
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    "But God," asked Adam, "why did you make her so stupid?"
    And He replied, "So that she could love you."

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    Happy to ... How do I do that?

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    Left-click on my name in the little data box on the left and pick "Private Message" from the pop-up box.

    If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll send you an email address.
    Last edited by Victor Redseal; Nov-28-2020 at 04:12.
    "God," asked Adam, "why did you make Eve so beautiful?"
    And He replied, "So that you could love her."
    "But God," asked Adam, "why did you make her so stupid?"
    And He replied, "So that she could love you."

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