Page 1 of 26 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 388

Thread: Olivier Messiaen

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    170
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Olivier Messiaen

    We are less than a month from Olivier Messiaen's 100th birthday. His music is, for me, a recent discovery, which has become almost an addiction by now. I hope responses to this guestbook will give me more to think about regarding his music.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    211
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Well, it depends what you are looking for. If it is works to try, then the Turangalila Symphony is an obvious choice, as is the wonderful Trois Petites Liturgies. A slightly later work which has to me a perfect harmony in its form, is Chronochromie.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    170
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Thanks, Lang, for the response. Coincidentally, I just listened to Turangalila Symphony again this morning. What a wonderful thing it is!
    What I was looking for in posting this was to learn how people feel about Messiaen's music, their responses to his music in general, as well as to specific works.
    His music seems to have strong responses (positive or negative), and I am hoping for some dialogue to enrich my experience of his music, feeling that I can learn as much from the negative responses as from the positives.
    For instance, I will start with your reference to "the wonderful Trois Petites Liturgies" when I listen to them (something I haven't heard yet). Thanks.
    My favorite of his works - that I have heard so far - is Éclairs sur L'au Delà. In fact, of all his birds, my favorite is the third movement, L’Oiseau-lyre et la Ville-fiancée.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Elaryad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    100
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Try to listen to Quatuor pour la fin du temps, probably you should know it by now. It looks like angels screaming... very deep and intense music.

  5. Likes msegers liked this post
  6. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    170
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Of course, Elaryad, I have listened to the Quatuor, my first Messiaen piece... probably the most powerful music I had ever heard. Each movement took me deeper into the work.

    But, believe me, I'll always associate your remark, "It looks like angels screaming..." with it everytime I hear it.

    By the way, trying to get a friend of mine interested in Messiaen's music, I came up with all eight movements of the Quatuor on YouTube - a rather motley assortment of Messiaenists - but in case anyone would be interested -

    1
    First part of Messiaen's "Quartet for the End of Time". Recorded 30 November 1991. This is a short excerpt from the DVD http://tinyurl.com/oybus
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-r59Iyx6-0

    2
    ensemble s21
    Jorge Montes, violín
    Carlos García Amigo, violonchelo
    Vicente López Puig, clarinete
    Julio Mourenza, piano

    01/IV/2008 | Santiago de Compostela
    Auditorio do cGac
    www.ensemble-s21.com
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZ3HAIfGwo

    3
    Todd Brunel performs the third movement of Olivier Messiaen's Quatuor pour la fin du temps ("Quartet for the end of time"). The third movement is for solo clarinet and is called: III. "Abîme des oiseaux" (Abyss of birds), @ Outpost 186 Hampshire, Cambridge, MA, Nov 16, 2007.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-mrWcRBAs


    4
    Synesthetic sand-fantasy for the music of Messiaen
    Nash Ensemble
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtOE-4Lvmlg

    5
    www.chatterchamber.org
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT6QsMDGHaQ

    6
    Messiaen - Quatuor pour la Fin du Temps (mov. 6)

    Davide de Ascaniis - violino
    Damiano Scarpa - violoncello
    Francesco Spendolini - clarinetto
    Daniele Rinaldo - pianoforte
    (live @ Festival Dino Ciani, 2008)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hTUXteDjw

    7
    From my chamber music diploma concert at the Malmö Academy of Music
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw_NpqKnJSE

    8
    Kyung-Wha Chung plays the 8th Mov. of Messiaen quartet for the End of Time (for piano, violin, cello and clarinet). Recorded live in New York in 1984.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiH0csUPP0

  7. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    211
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by msegers View Post
    What I was looking for in posting this was to learn how people feel about Messiaen's music, their responses to his music in general, as well as to specific works.
    His music seems to have strong responses (positive or negative), and I am hoping for some dialogue to enrich my experience of his music, feeling that I can learn as much from the negative responses as from the positives.
    Ok - what do I get from Messiaen's music? First and foremost a sense of perfect form. Messiaen tends to use monolithic shapes for his structures, if that makes sense, and the structure to me is very apparent in the music itself. For me that is exemplified in Chronochromie, where the structure is one of the main elements of the music. Secondly the sensuality. No one, apart from Strauss, has written music with such an erotic undercurrent. And thirdly, the mysticism. I am an atheist, and so the Catholic mysticism with which his work is imbued means very little to me in general, but Messiaen manages to communicate his sense of the eternal mysteries and also his wonder at the natural world, which are things that I can understand and appreciate.

  8. Likes msegers, QuietGuy liked this post
  9. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    170
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Happy 100th Birthday, Olivier Messiaen!

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ay.html?cat=33

    By the way, deep bows to Lang for his comments. I especially appreciate his comments on the sensuality of Messiaen. (Some commentators leave me feeling that I must have a dirty mind to think such a thing.)

    Also, I believe that not being Catholic gives me a freedom in approaching Messiaen's work. There is so much of his mysticism that is not specifically Catholic, the "sense of the eternal mysteries and also his wonder at the natural world" (quoting Lang), that we can all partake of his little-c catholic, universal, spirituality.

  10. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    211
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by msegers View Post
    Happy 100th Birthday, Olivier Messiaen!

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ay.html?cat=33

    By the way, deep bows to Lang for his comments. I especially appreciate his comments on the sensuality of Messiaen. (Some commentators leave me feeling that I must have a dirty mind to think such a thing.)
    Oh no, not at all. If you can ever hear a live performance of the Cinq Rechants, you will hear an orgasm portrayed in music. Unfortunately the recorded versions of this tend to be a little inhibited, but I did hear a live performance by the John Aldiss Choir where everybody in the audience felt like a cigarette following the solo soprano's climax.

    Is it today? Happy birthday, Olivier. Hope you are among the birds.

  11. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    170
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
    If you can ever hear a live performance of the Cinq Rechants, you will hear an orgasm portrayed in music. Unfortunately the recorded versions of this tend to be a little inhibited, but I did hear a live performance by the John Aldiss Choir where everybody in the audience felt like a cigarette following the solo soprano's climax.
    I don't usually quote a previous post - feel that it just takes up room in the forum. But Lang's comment deserves repetition. I feel sure that Messiaen must be joining me in laughter.

  12. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    9,728
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I haven't been exposed to his works other than Quartet for the End of Time, but I like that work alot. It is in my top ten. Definitely one of the great chamber works of the C20th. As people may already know, it also had an interesting history, most of it being composed while Messiaen was a prisoner of war. I like this music because he had a unique style that could not be replicated. It is not only profoundly spiritual but also very dramatic and trance-inducing in parts. He pushes the instruments to the extreme, especially the violin and the cello. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to go beyond the chamber works of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, etc.

  13. #11
    Senior Member Lisztfreak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Samobor, Croatia
    Posts
    705
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I'd best copy Andre's previous post... Exactly what I was planning to say.
    ''Oh, the String Quartet - oh, the Divine Scratching!''

  14. #12
    Senior Member nickgray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Tel Aviv
    Posts
    400
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I heard his QftEoT and Turangalila symphony. Well, heard probably isn't the right word since I listened them for... uh... 5-6 minutes, it sounded to me more like nails scratching on the window sound, making me very uncomfortable almost physically. Bad music, I wouldn't even call it music, more like "sound experiment involving music theory" or something.
    Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

  15. #13
    Member EarlyCuyler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    55
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I really get into Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. Lots of fun to listen to, and to play! Turangalila is a blast too, literally.

  16. Likes msegers liked this post
  17. #14
    Senior Member Herzeleide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    754
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I absolutely adore Chronochromie. The Epode is stunning.

  18. Likes msegers liked this post
  19. #15
    Senior Member Herzeleide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    754
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    This is an amazing video! :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdgUJss9BU

  20. Likes msegers liked this post
Page 1 of 26 1234511 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Messiaen
    By Ephemerid in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Mar-17-2008, 17:35

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •