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    OH, a very fine list, Brahmsianhorn, although I could hardly rate the Brahms Concerto as "better" than the profundity of Ludwig's ... but it's any man's (or woman's) opinion, about the latter. As for Szigeti, there are TWO great recordings - the first from 1932, with Walter ... and then one from 1947, with the same principals. Of course, there was an even later recording, on Mercury, with Dorati. I haven't listened to it, and maybe, by that time, his bow arm was somewhat unsteady. In any case, the Szigeti approach is singular and probably equal to Kreisler, Huberman and Adolf Busch ... but again, it's anyone's opinion. Thanks!

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    Unfortunately the finest version at the moment by appears to be unavailable on CD. It’s fetching atronomical prices second hand.

    But here it is on YouTube. Patricia Kopatchinskaja Plays with the same mischievousness Clement might have played in the premiere. Fabulous!

    Last edited by JTS; Sep-28-2021 at 08:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    Unfortunately the finest version at the moment by appears to be unavailable on CD. It’s fetching atronomical prices second hand.

    But here it is on YouTube. Patricia Kopatchinskaja Plays with the same mischievousness Clement might have played in the premiere. Fabulous!

    Super recording - just checked amazon uk £18.67 lowest price, not cheap but not as bad as some oop recordings I've seen.
    As I have it on the shelf I am happy to be, on this occasion, not concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Super recording - just checked amazon uk £18.67 lowest price, not cheap but not as bad as some oop recordings I've seen.
    As I have it on the shelf I am happy to be, on this occasion, not concerned.
    Thanks for the tip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89Koechel View Post
    OH, a very fine list, Brahmsianhorn, although I could hardly rate the Brahms Concerto as "better" than the profundity of Ludwig's ... but it's any man's (or woman's) opinion, about the latter. As for Szigeti, there are TWO great recordings - the first from 1932, with Walter ... and then one from 1947, with the same principals. Of course, there was an even later recording, on Mercury, with Dorati. I haven't listened to it, and maybe, by that time, his bow arm was somewhat unsteady. In any case, the Szigeti approach is singular and probably equal to Kreisler, Huberman and Adolf Busch ... but again, it's anyone's opinion. Thanks!
    You know, I thought might be the case with Szigeti/Walter. Just to clarify I meant 1932.

    Even though the sound is so opaque, there is a depth to Kreisler’s interpretation I’ve not heard elsewhere. Huberman comes closest.

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    Just managed to get this thanks to a tip off on here. The finest modern performance IMO. Possibly the finest on disc. She appears to have Heifetz’s technique with a very playful sense of humour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertJTh View Post
    Also seconding Francescatti/Walter, one of the glories of Walter's Indian summer, with Francescatti being a congenial soloist.
    I also love Francescatti/Walter. This was my first recording of the Beethoven concerto, on an old Odyssey LP, and I've never found one that I think surpasses it. Am delighted that I now have it on CD. Both soloist and conductor are outstanding, and perfectly in sync.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Super recording - just checked amazon uk £18.67 lowest price, not cheap but not as bad as some oop recordings I've seen.
    As I have it on the shelf I am happy to be, on this occasion, not concerned.
    Fantastic performance. Everything bit as amazing as her Tchaikovsky VC. I didn't know there was a YT performance with the hr-Sinfonieorchester/Herreweghe. Thanks for the tip! Watching Kopatchinskaja's interaction with the players made me think this was an even more fantastic performance than the one that she has committed to record (Champs-Élysées/Herreweghe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Fantastic performance. Everything bit as amazing as her Tchaikovsky VC. I didn't know there was a YT performance with the hr-Sinfonieorchester/Herreweghe. Thanks for the tip! Watching Kopatchinskaja's interaction with the players made me think this was an even more fantastic performance than the one that she has committed to record (Champs-Élysées/Herreweghe).
    I think those thanks should be directed to JTS who first posted the concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    I think those thanks should be directed to JTS who first posted the concert.
    Absolutely. My thanks to JTS! Apologies I didn't read the posts carefully enough. I count myself one of the lucky ones who have got the Champs-Élysées/Herreweghe. Now I wish this performance with the hr-Sinfonieorchester would be available on disc too.

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    Thanks, Brahmsianhorn, and the usual, delayed response (from here) - Yes, Szigeti/Walter from 1932 was exceptional, as was Szigeti/Walter from 1947. Well, if you think Kreisler has a DEPTH that might surpass Szigeti, then I should listen to my old CD/Kreisler interpretation. Certainly, also, the Huberman is very fine, also! ... Well, there've been mentions of the young lady - Kopachinskaja - and that's a modern performance, that many of us would like to KNOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89Koechel View Post
    Thanks, Brahmsianhorn, and the usual, delayed response (from here) - Yes, Szigeti/Walter from 1932 was exceptional, as was Szigeti/Walter from 1947. Well, if you think Kreisler has a DEPTH that might surpass Szigeti, then I should listen to my old CD/Kreisler interpretation. Certainly, also, the Huberman is very fine, also! ... Well, there've been mentions of the young lady - Kopachinskaja - and that's a modern performance, that many of us would like to KNOW.

    In case you missed it I’ll post the link again. Kop actually studied Fritz Clements manuscripts and method of violin playing. May have been something like the first performance sounded like only probably better played as Clements played it at site

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