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    Anyone who has a problem with going to the ballet because they might be perceived as being effeminate, really has a problem. I once knew a fellow who would not wear pink or purple shirts because it "gave the wrong message". I think anyone should go to the ballet, if they think they would enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    Anyone who has a problem with going to the ballet because they might be perceived as being effeminate, really has a problem. I once knew a fellow who would not wear pink or purple shirts because it "gave the wrong message". I think anyone should go to the ballet, if they think they would enjoy it.
    Double like, 2016 and still judgemental, ridiculous .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    So you easily could have left that phrase out.
    Re-reading my comment, no I could not have left it out, as it would have left the sentence ambiguous as to who my pick-up targets were.

    Explaining a joke is always painful, but I was responding to OP's question about the fear of appearing effete, and my point to straight guys was that they should overcome their supposed fear, and take advantage of a great opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    my point to straight guys was that they should overcome their supposed fear,
    no need to, because for example, i for one am straight and never felt any fear to proclaim love for ballet wherever i was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhdanov View Post
    no need to, because for example, i for one am straight and never felt any fear to proclaim love for ballet wherever i was.
    As do I. See the remainder of my first post.

    But in my first paragraph, I was highlighting a bonus aspect - that it offered an opportunity for guys to pick up women where the odds were in his favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    Anyone who has a problem with going to the ballet because they might be perceived as being effeminate, really has a problem. I once knew a fellow who would not wear pink or purple shirts because it "gave the wrong message". I think anyone should go to the ballet, if they think they would enjoy it.
    I do not see anything wrong in wearing purple. I just do not care for the dancing in ballet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    I do not see anything wrong in wearing purple.
    Neither do I! However, there are homophobes out there who really take their insecurities to extremes, is what I was attempting to convey. Makes one wonder whether they "doth protest too much", if you gather my meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    Neither do I! However, there are homophobes out there who really take their insecurities to extremes, is what I was attempting to convey. Makes one wonder whether they "doth protest too much", if you gather my meaning.
    As long ad people gibe them the attention they desperate seeks, it will go one, ignore the homophobe.
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    Just received my tickets for the upcoming New York City Ballet season. Two performances during each of the fall, winter and spring seasons. (No "Nutcracker" though.) Really looking forward to Robbins "Dancers at a Gathering" (set to Chopin). I've only seen it once, quite a few years ago. Also looking forward to a second viewing of Ratmansky's "Pictures at an Exhibition."

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    One of the new pleasures for me at New York City Ballet is its conductor - Andrew Litton. (He started last year, but I was away from New York during most of the season.)

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    As I previously mentioned you certainly are fortunate to be so close to a world-class company. I am sooo jealous. My neck of the woods is south New Jersey; the PA Ballet is a only a half-hour ride for me. I’m a subscriber to this company, which is well-funded and comprised of very talented performers. My main problem with them is their sparse schedule. Of course there is the Nutcracker—all companies roll out the Nutcracker in December—no problem there. After that however, they have nothing in January & February. Looking at the NYCB schedule for those two months, I see they perform on 41 days! (mouth watering)

    The PA Ballet doesn’t get rolling again until March (when I’m in FL). I don’t get back until May when their season is just about over. Also, the PA Ballet has experienced a shakeup recently. Last year Roy Kaiser, Pennsylvania Ballet's artistic director for two decades, was replaced for no apparent reason except for the fact that he was doing it for too long. I never had a problem with any of his direction except for a few minor issues such as the sparse schedule and too much Balanchine, which I don’t want to get into now.

    The new artistic director is Angel Corella, who has replaced 50% of the cast, some of my favorites! His first traditional story ballet (I like the traditional story ballets the best) was Don Quixote, which I wasn’t thrilled with his choreography . He certainly has the resume to do the job so I’ll give him a pass on that, but it remains to be seen. I’m looking forward to Cinderella this Saturday.
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    As far as why there are not more men at Ballets, I never understood it. There are certainly plenty of men at classical music concerts. If one likes the music, then what’s the problem? My suggestion to these guys is that if you don’t like the sight of beautiful scantily-clad women, then close your eyes and enjoy the music!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyotr View Post
    My suggestion to these guys is that if you don’t like the sight of beautiful scantily-clad women, then close your eyes and enjoy the music!
    I suspect that they'd be quite happy with looking at the women - but that the sight of the elegantly dancing male performers in traditional ballet costume would be too much of an affront for their traditional, narrow concept of masculinity.

    Such men are not necessarily homophobes but they have a cultural outlook based on rigid gender stereotypes. Traditional classical ballet male dancers superficially reject and so offend those stereotypical attitudes, though anyone with any insight knows that they need as much physical strength as any "masculine" sportsman.

    Men who reject ballet on such grounds really don't know what they're missing but, in today's era of greater gender fluidity and openness to new cultural ideas, maybe we can expect such attitudes to begin to disappear.

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    I was on Nutcracker and Swans lake in December and January, really enjoyed... But i notice i have to become a ballet lover, its a developing thing, not always complementary with liking classical music...
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    The only time I was enthralled by a ballet performance was when I attended American Ballet Theater's version of Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet. Terrific!
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