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    So Don Carlos/Carlo is the last Verdi opera that I definitely need for my collection

    Anyway, so as for which Don is the great question. My eyes are on the two Placido Domingos (by Abaddo and Guilini). I'm also considering the Solti with Tebaldi and Bergonzi. Probably leaning towards the latter because Bergonzi is very much to my taste.

    But any suggestions between the above or another would be great . "Completeness" of the score or most textually accurate of the versions is less important than the sheer musicality and sound quality

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    This is my favourite by a country mile but then I'm not keen on Domingo so any CD without him is better. Just my opinion, I know PD is loved and admired by hundreds of people.

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    I was going to give yours a go, but it was thoroughly unavailable. I went ahead and ordered the Haitink conducted version. I think it may be my cup o' tea when I read reviews, and cheaper than the others options at the moment. It will be my first version but probably not my last

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    If only one is the option: easy

    Freni/ Doming/ Levine.
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    There are quite a lot of differences between Abbado and Giulini. First and foremost is the fact that the Giulini,though in five acts, is sung in the Italian translation of the original French, whereas the Abbado is in French. The Abbado is also note complete, adding as an appendix, music that was cut from various editions during Verdi's lifetime. Unfortunately, apart from Domingo, the singers on the Abbado are a motley bunch and, again apart from Domingo, none of them has any idea how to sing French, not that Domingo is perfect in this respect, but he's a lot better than the rest. The recording is fine, but Giulini has a better grip on the score than Abbado. Furthermore, Giulini's cast is far superior to Abbado's, with particularly fine contributions from Caballe and Verrett. I have both, the Abbado for the interest of hearing in in French and for the extra music, much of which wasn't discovered until after the Giulini recording was made. In terms of performance it is outclassed by the Giulini.

    Another excellent recording, with excellent cast , is the Karajan, but the ludicrously wide dynamic range can be a problem for home listening, and I regret the absence of the Fontainbebleau act. Pretty much the same cast and conductor can be seen in a DVD from Salzburg, and it's definitely worth a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    There are quite a lot of differences between Abbado and Giulini. First and foremost is the fact that the Giulini,though in five acts, is sung in the Italian translation of the original French, whereas the Abbado is in French. The Abbado is also note complete, adding as an appendix, music that was cut from various editions during Verdi's lifetime. Unfortunately, apart from Domingo, the singers on the Abbado are a motley bunch and, again apart from Domingo, none of them has any idea how to sing French, not that Domingo is perfect in this respect, but he's a lot better than the rest. The recording is fine, but Giulini has a better grip on the score than Abbado. Furthermore, Giulini's cast is far superior to Abbado's, with particularly fine contributions from Caballe and Verrett. I have both, the Abbado for the interest of hearing in in French and for the extra music, much of which wasn't discovered until after the Giulini recording was made. In terms of performance it is outclassed by the Giulini.

    Another excellent recording, with excellent cast , is the Karajan, but the ludicrously wide dynamic range can be a problem for home listening, and I regret the absence of the Fontainbebleau act. Pretty much the same cast and conductor can be seen in a DVD from Salzburg, and it's definitely worth a look.
    Karajan (or his producer) didn't seem to realise we don't all live in mountain eyries with no neighbours! The performance is terrific.

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    I still very much like the Solti Covent Garden recording.

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    If it's a choice between the Solti, the Abaddo and the Giulini and the main criteria is which is the best performance of the work, I'd go with the Giulini (I totally agree with Greg above).

    Other recordings I wouldn't be without are the Santini studio of the four act version with Gobbi and Christoff, the live recording from Covent Garden in 1958 and the French version conducted by Pappano (this includes some passages from the original French version which aren't in the Abaddo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    I was going to give yours a go, but it was thoroughly unavailable. I went ahead and ordered the Haitink conducted version. I think it may be my cup o' tea when I read reviews, and cheaper than the others options at the moment. It will be my first version but probably not my last
    It had been on my wish list for ages but was either ridiculously expensive or not available. I got it 'used - good' from A*a*o* - in Germany for €10 but I was very lucky to spot it.
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    I'd rank the ones I have as:

    1 Giulini studio
    2 Solti
    3 Giulini ROH (Vickers!, but silly cuts)
    4 Pappano (French/DVD)
    5 Santini
    6 Abbado (one of the few of his recordings that doesn't resonate for me)

    Unfortunately nothing touches the Bjoerling/Merrill duet--too bad RCA didn't have them record the whole opera.

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    For CDs:

    1) Giulini studio wins hands down
    2) Solti
    3) Abbado with Freni, Carreras (La Scala 1977)
    4) Santini
    5) Abbado complete French version

    For DVDs:

    1) Levine from Met again wins hands down
    2) Levine from Met different cast (Moldoveanu, Scotto, Milnes) - because Scotto both sings and acts!
    3) Karajan - the usual suspect
    4) Fulton (Aragall, Caballe, Bruson, Estes) - for Bruson mostly, he is marvellous! Wooden acting from main protagonists though.

    I am not a fan of Kaufmann/Harteros video as I didn't like the production and Hampson is the weak link (probably alongside with Salminen). Great Eboli though (Ekaterina Semenchuk)

    There are more DVDs worth checking out (I haven't seen those yet) - Lima/Cotrubas for instance.

    You can't have too many Don Carlos recordings!

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    I would recommend this DVD. I think the recording was scheduled for a night when Kaufmann was singing but he cancelled and Villazón jumped in so that's why it's him not Kaufmann. I think the role suits Villazón better as Carlo is rather a wimp and in my opinion Kaufmann is too heroic to play a wimp.

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    I feel we running in circles here , all is been discussed in the opera 100 topic.

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    True but sometimes it's ridiculously hard to find the original topic....I followed your link which took me to the beginning of that thread, but after scrolling through so many pages and still not getting to Don Carlos. Well I on,y have so much time to sort brought the buried threads I'm afraid.

    My searches always come to page one of threads...not the specific post I'm looking for. Is this typical or is there something wrong with my search function?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    True but sometimes it's ridiculously hard to find the original topic....I followed your link which took me to the beginning of that thread, but after scrolling through so many pages and still not getting to Don Carlos. Well I on,y have so much time to sort brought the buried threads I'm afraid.

    My searches always come to page one of threads...not the specific post I'm looking for. Is this typical or is there something wrong with my search function?
    Perhaps this helps.
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