View Poll Results: Was Heinrich Schütz The Greatest German Baroque Composer B4 J. S. Bach?

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  • No, no way near it

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    Default Was Heinrich Schütz The Greatest German Baroque Composer B4 J. S. Bach?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Sch%C3%BCtz

    In my opinion, Heinrich Schütz (HS) must have been the greatest German Baroque composer before Johann Sebastian Bach and certainly the top five composers before the 18th century.

    I have been listening to samples from the below collection I borrowed. His music has that element of greatness that strikes me as wholly original and influential because traces of it can be found in later composers, including Bach and the whole German Baroque tradition especially with church vocal music.

    What do you think of the music of HS? Was he one of the greatest German Baroque composers?

    This set is the recording I am referring to with a fine portrait of the great composer.




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    Who is this guy? No idea honestly.
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    I don't like absolute statements, so I'll say possibly the greatest. Schein was no slouch, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    In my opinion, Heinrich Schütz (HS) must have been the greatest German Baroque composer before Johann Sebastian Bach and certainly the top five composers before the 18th century.
    Shutz was a composer of enormous talent who deserves to be much better known. But I, like many, as you're aware, try as hard as possible to avoid terms like "greatest".

    But as you think he's The Greatest, perhaps you could elaborate on why you feel so? Ideally with reference to specific works and recordings? Clarifying what it is that makes him greater than his contemporaries?

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    You are making pronouncements. Have you heard Georg Muffat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavichorder View Post
    You are making pronouncements. Have you heard Georg Muffat?
    I like GM too. He wrote some write orchestral works and vocal pieces. "Pronouncements" = just my loud humble opinion in a discussion forum open to all. Relax.

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    I don't have any authority to say he is the greatest, but he is certainly my favourite pre-Bach German composer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I like GM too. He wrote some write orchestral works and vocal pieces. "Pronouncements" = just my loud humble opinion in a discussion forum open to all. Relax.
    Stating "Greatest" isn't a humble opinion, its a judgement that needs to be backed up with evidence or argument from yourself.

    Yup, that's right, it's "semantic bullying" time again!

    Because now I'm going to ask you to define what you mean by "before (sorry: B4) JS Bach". Is it born before? By how much? two years? A generation? Did you mean composers who stopped working before he started? Or composers who died before he was born?

    And what of the blurry line between late Renaissance and early Baroque? Where do you feel it starts?

    And have you familiar enough with the German Baroque to make this pronouncement of "Greatest"? Which others have you heard? Why are they lesser than Schutz?

    Do tell.

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    I've known of Schütz forever, basically, but I had completely forgotten about him I'll have to try some of his music soon.

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    Definitely one of them, along with Buxtehude, Scheideman and Biber. He's probably my favorite.

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    I was going to cry out, "Zelenka!" But he wasn't really before Bach, was he. Well, he was before CPE Bach -- maybe that counts.


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    Art,

    You keep asking the same questions and many of us keep giving you the same answer. Yet no matter how many times we answer it you keep asking it.

    OK, I will respond again.

    Many of us have learned through our experiences that it is impossible from an aesthetic point of view to answer such a question. Many of us have studied music history and are familiar with the works if Schütz. I remember studying his music in music history class. That was almost fifty years ago and I really can not remember all of the details.

    We can tell you whether or not we like Schütz but beyond that any observations we make are very subjective and just our opinions. I am not going to go through the trunk with all of my old college textbooks so I can address this question. I am too busy listening to the latest Red Priest album: Handel in the Wind.

    Beyond this there is nothing more I can add.
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    Nvm, didn't read the poll question closely enough.

    Why are your poll questions getting so specific?

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Nvm, didn't read the poll question closely enough.

    Why are your poll questions getting so specific?
    Because non-specificity would just be too scary to cope with.
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