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    Bose = mediocre sound at exorbitant prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Bose = mediocre sound at exorbitant prices.
    I am surprised it is not one of those "As Seen On TV" products--or is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I am surprised it is not one of those "As Seen On TV" products--or is it?
    Their radios probably. They were famous for their loudspeakers first.
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    Any of these brands are better than Bose for speakers:

    Athena
    Axiom
    JBL
    Definitve Tech
    Paradigm
    NHT
    Energy
    Monitor Audio
    Klipsch
    Infinity
    Polk
    Atlantic Tech

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    I would never consider any equipment by Bose to be audiophile, but they are good at things like getting a lot of sound out of a very small box. I have a Bose USB speaker that is very compact and is generally pleasing with casual music. Not for Mahler, though. I also have the noise canceling headphones, and the noise cancelation is pretty impressive. Not audiophile but better results than my audiophile headphones in a noisy environment.
    I'm happy with my SoundLink mini (as a small portable). Not many other Bose products I care for.

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    I don't like Paradigm. I had a pair and they were very clinical and unmusical sounding. I have a pair of B&W floor standing models and they sound terrific.

    I never liked the sound of Polk either. Nor Klipsch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I don't like Paradigm. I had a pair and they were very clinical and unmusical sounding. I have a pair of B&W floor standing models and they sound terrific.

    I never liked the sound of Polk either. Nor Klipsch.
    Preferences for speakers is an interesting topic. One person's likes are another's dislikes.

    A review by Steve Feinstein at Audioholics.com:
    "... The Paradigm Prestige 75F acquitted itself quite well during its stay. I’ve had some outstanding similar-sized and similar–priced speakers in my home in the past few years for review and extended evaluation: the $2,200/pr. B&W CM8, the $2,500/pr. Atlantic Technology AT-1 and the $2700/pr. NHT Classic Four. All are fine speakers, and easily among the best in their size/price category. The Prestige 75F is a solid contender among this group of excellent loudspeakers. It doesn’t have the bass extension of Atlantic’s H-PAS system, nor the unrestricted dispersion of NHT’s 2-inch domed midrange and ¾-inch tweeter. But it easily surpasses both the AT and B&W in lack of nasal coloration and is subjectively able to play equally as loudly without distress as any of them."

    When I was in the market to purchase I listened to Paradigm's 75 F's, B&W CM10's, Martin Logan Motion 60XT's, and a variety of other speakers in the same price range. It was a toss up between the B&W's and the Martin Logan's, until I heard the Paradigm's. At there price point, I thought they covered all the bases with less short comings than the other speakers. But like I started with, "One person's likes are another's dislikes."

    Since my purchase, I've auditioned other speakers when I've had the chance. I'm impressed with Focal's line of speakers, but if I could swing the purchase without being beaten by my wife, I'd purchase a pair of Paradigm Persona 3F speakers. They sound like my Prestige 75's without a blanket on them (and I didn't even know there was a blanket on them).
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    The important thing about speakers is the sound they're capable of producing, not necessarily the sound they produce. If a speaker can put out a full range of frequencies at a decent volume level, you can EQ it to sound however you like. I usually prefer speakers that have a bit too much at the extremes of response, because I can always pull it back.

    The focus with speaker design now seems to be dispersion. I have a set of KEMs that have a radial design to produce a wide even dispersion pattern. But there's a place for horn loaded speakers too when directionality is desired. I use a horn loaded speaker for my center, wide dispersing in the rear and a combination of old school JBL classics and more modern tower speakers in front. It's a jury rigged system, but it works really well in my room to create a broad soundstage that is still well defined in the center. I don't generally upgrade speakers. I buy what I need and spend as much as I can possibly ever afford. It's too much work to balance. I don't want to replace a set with completely different speakers and go all the way back to square one.

    The room is just as important as the speaker. Maybe more so. I generally avoid recommending specific speakers unless I know a bit about the room. Even then, looking at a picture doesn't tell you a lot about how they are going to sound in the room. I had the luxury of having a blank slate for my screening room / theater. I set up the speakers first and moved them around until I found the right placement. Then I started moving furniture in a bit at a time to keep the balances working right. It's kind of like playing that block game Jenga. You put something in, you take something out... one at a time until you find the right setup.

    You can't do that with a wife though. The couch goes THERE and there is no arguing about it.

    All that said, I might choose Bose if I was putting a system in a small room and I found a good deal on them. There's nothing wrong with Bose. It's just generally not as good of a value for the money. Both Bose and Altec Lansing are good for very small unobtrusive speakers that produce more sound than their size would indicate. But you can't fill a large living room with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    The important thing about speakers is the sound they're capable of producing, not necessarily the sound they produce. If a speaker can put out a full range of frequencies at a decent volume level, you can EQ it to sound however you like. I usually prefer speakers that have a bit too much at the extremes of response, because I can always pull it back.
    A good loudspeaker should accurately reproduced what is in the recording without coloration. I don't know any current models, but the pair I have do this quite well. Crappy speakers like Polk always sounded rather boxy and vanilla to my ears. And Klipsch are too bright. I don't doubt that some of the more expensive Paradigms do a good job, but the affordable pair I had didn't sound good at all.
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    Speakers are only half the problem. The space you put them in makes a big difference too. If you want really good fidelity, you have to EQ. No speaker sounds perfect out of the box because every room is different. In a different room, the brands you don't like might sound better. It all depends.
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