View Poll Results: Is Giacomo Puccini A Great Composer?

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Thread: Is Giacomo Puccini A Great Composer?

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    Default Is Giacomo Puccini A Great Composer?

    GP is one of my favorite opera composers. And must surely be one of the greatest opera composers of all times.

    But there are many different opinion about that. Many don't think much of his works and suggest that Wagner and Verdi are way ahead in scale, invention and dramatic characterization compared with the best of Puccini. Or even Richard Strauss can tip ahead.

    What do you think?

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    I voted yes, one of the finest in the opera world. My favorite opera by him is the incomplete Turandot. The music is amazing with rich atonal dramatic mixture of late Romanticism, perfect use of atonal mechanisms and late Romantic harmony. I am sad that it was incomplete and the ending is sub-standard (completed by another weaker composer).

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    I certainly think so. I just watched a La Boheme film on Youtube a couple days ago that was very enjoyable. I don't care about this idea that his music is empty and only melody. I just like the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    (completed by another weaker composer).
    Alfano was a very fine composer. Who composed just as nice/pleasant/beautiful/good music (choose which word you think suits best) as Puccini.

    La leggenda di Sakuntala:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MI1L6rbY44

    Il Dottor Antonio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRlZhBpPUcc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJwWIWWES4

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    Yes.

    I can't have a one word answer so here are some additional but unnecessary words.
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

    ‘When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!‘

    ‘It will be alright in the end. If it’s not alright, it’s not the end!’

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    Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin View Post
    I certainly think so. I just watched a La Boheme film on Youtube a couple days ago that was very enjoyable. I don't care about this idea that his music is empty and only melody. I just like the music.
    That's one of the "criticisms" I sometimes come across. I agree, it's out of context because it characterizes the drama beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloe View Post
    Alfano was a very fine composer. Who composed just as nice/pleasant/beautiful/good music (choose which word you think suits best) as Puccini.

    La leggenda di Sakuntala:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MI1L6rbY44

    Il Dottor Antonio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRlZhBpPUcc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJwWIWWES4
    I shall investigate. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
    How did you get away with one word, Balthazar?
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

    ‘When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!‘

    ‘It will be alright in the end. If it’s not alright, it’s not the end!’

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    Connections. ...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    How did you get away with one word, Balthazar?
    Look at the post carefully.

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    Of course. He's one of those composers, like Rachmaninoff, who for a long time got more love than respect, probably for no other reason than that, at a time when more radical music was begging for both love and respect, his operas were almost immediate hits and have remained so ever since. You know the problem. Too traditional. Too tonal. Too tuneful. Too emotional. Too theatrical. Too popular. Doesn't move music "forward."

    Pierre, eat your heart out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloe View Post
    Look at the post carefully.
    Look at this guy! He must really know some people.

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    i'll get the hang of this yet
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

    ‘When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!‘

    ‘It will be alright in the end. If it’s not alright, it’s not the end!’

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    The best composer I never listen to.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

    "Man does not live by bread alone......"

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