Page 1 of 51 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 753

Thread: Haydn

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    84
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Haydn

    What did he write ? A string trio ?

  2. Likes Blake, Jacob Brooks liked this post
  3. #2
    Senior Member SPR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    MA, USA
    Posts
    263
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I love Haydn. Supposedly called 'papa haydn' in his day,


    from : http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/haydnj_works.html

    Joseph Haydn composed over 750 works and arranged over 330 songs. Between 1934 and 1971 Anthony von Hoboken compiled a directory of Haydn's works according to musical forms. His results were published by the company Schott under the title "Joseph Haydn - Thematisch-bibliographisches Werkverzeichnis" (Eng. "J. Haydn - Thematic-bibliographic Listing of his Works"). Hoboken assigned a number to each work, and this idea was so helpful, that most of Haydn's works are now known not only through their title but also through their Hoboken (H) number.
    In the event that you want more detailed information about Haydn's works, please consult a copy of Hoboken's work in a local library. Even though it is in German it is not too difficult to understand. Obviously we cannot offer all of the information contained in its 3 volumes.

    In order to prevent this page from becoming too long, it has been split into parts according to musical forms and their related Hoboken numbers.
    For example, Symphony 104 is assigned H (Hoboken) I (Work category) 104 (Work number).


    Symphonies H I 1-108
    Overtures H Ia 1-16
    Divertimenti in 4 and more Parts H II 1-47
    String Quartets H III 1-83b
    Divertimenti in 3 Parts H IV 1-11
    String Trios H V 1-21
    Various Duos H VI 1-6
    Concerti for Various Instruments H VII
    Marches H VIII 1-7
    Dances H IX 1-29
    Various Works for Baryton H X 1-12
    Trios for Baryton, Violin or Viola, Cello 1-126
    Duos with Baryton H XII 1-25
    Divertimenti with Piano H XIV 1-13
    Trios with Piano, Violin or Flute, Cello H XV 1-40
    Piano Duos H XVa
    Piano Sonatas H XVI 1-52
    Piano Pieces H XVII 1-12
    Piano 4 Hands H XVIIa 1-2
    Piano Concerti H XVIII 1-11
    Pieces for Mechanical Clock (Flötenuhr) H XIX 1-32
    Instrumental Works about The Seven Last Words H XX
    Choral Version of The Seven Last Words H XX/2
    Oratorios H XXI 1-3
    Masses H XXII 1-14
    Other Sacred Works H XXIII
    Cantatas and Arias with Orchestra H XXIV
    2, 3, and 4 Part Songs H XXV
    Songs and Cantatas with Piano H XXVI
    Canons H XXVII Sacred 1-10 Secular 1-47
    Operas H XXVIII 1-13
    Marionette Operas H XXIX
    Incidental Music H XXX
    Arrangements of (273) Scottish and (60) Welsh Folksongs H XXXI

  4. Likes Flamme, HaydnBearstheClock, satoru and 3 others liked this post
  5. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    84
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    [QUOTEString Trios H V 1-21 [/QUOTE] Have you heard them ?

  6. #4
    Senior Member SPR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    MA, USA
    Posts
    263
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I have not. I will soon though. I think I'll be getting a full Haydn set very shortly. That should fill in those annoying little gaps.

  7. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    84
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SPR View Post
    I have not.**** I will soon though.* I think I'll be getting a full Haydn set very shortly.* * That should fill in those annoying little gaps.
    Are they good ???????

  8. #6
    Senior Member BuddhaBandit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Philly-delphia, PA
    Posts
    512
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SPR View Post
    I think I'll be getting a full Haydn set very shortly.
    I've heard some of the discs in that (I assume you're referring to the Brilliant Classics set) and they're pretty good. I have both the Bach and Mozart editions, which are stellar, but both are weaker on the vocal works than the orchestral/chamber/solo instrument works.

    If you do buy it, make sure to tell us (the TC members) about it!
    Take a look at the Bandit's blog, Americana Avenue.

  9. #7
    Senior Member SPR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    MA, USA
    Posts
    263
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    yes indeed. I have the Mozart set.... so between you and I - we will have 'all 4' perhaps we can form an opinion!

  10. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    9,728
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I recently started to rediscover some of Haydn's London symphonies. I think my favourite has to be No. 101 'The Clock.' Haydn was a master of big contrasts, for example that symphony opens up with a slow, dark theme, but then Haydn makes a 180 degree turn around and floods the movement with light and wit. I think he is an underrated genius, so much so that Beethoven would not have become as great as he was, without Haydn's influence.

    It was also the 200th anniversary of Haydn's death recently, on 31st May. Well, despite the passing of all that time, the works of 'the father of the symphony' and 'the father of the string quartet' remain as fresh as ever...

  11. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,279
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    I think he is an underrated genius
    Others also think that of course. But it's for the very reason you give, people say he is the 'father of' whatever meaning they think he is just a precursor to others rather than good in himself. I was also thinking of bumping up this thread as it obviously hasn't had much interest.

    The last three London symphonies are often seen as the pinnacle, but others such as 97 (which I bet Beethoven liked) are definitely underrated, as well as some much earlier ones.

  12. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Brazil
    Posts
    566
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Haydn is my favorite composer. His music is so exciting with their surprises, all that wit and verve,, it's hard to me to express what I like in his music, pretty much everything I would say. And I don't think he is underrated, he is considered one of the greatest composers by pretty much anyone who studies music seriously, the problem is that he is not popular, mostly because audiences these days are at odds to grasp Haydn's brilliant music invention, what makes sucess are a large orchestra playing overblown late-romantic pieces, and they will never find this Haydn, he can be as dramatic as Mahler, but in a more suble way.

    OBs: this complete edition is not very much complete, lacks some masses, some operas.

    Obs1: I will make a succint Haydn must have:








    This is what I think a basic discography of Haydn is, from there you can explore other works or other interpretations, but I chose not a historic or traditional approach but the best renditions of each work. It's well more expensive than the brilliant set, but it is worth the price.
    Last edited by bdelykleon; Jun-10-2009 at 16:59. Reason: smaller pictures

  13. Likes Sonata, Bradius, HaydnBearstheClock and 3 others liked this post
  14. #11
    Senior Member jhar26's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,443
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post


    I have these too. All wonderful.

  15. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,279
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    And I don't think he is underrated, he is considered one of the greatest composers by pretty much anyone who studies music seriously, the problem is that he is not popular
    But how can someone be considered great but also not be popular? It's like saying that people will list him as a great composer because they feel they have to (as they have been told he is the father of whatever) not because they like him. The only real understanding and sincere rating of a composer is imo on actually liking enough of the work and therefore considering someone great. Surely someone must be considered great on an understanding of the work not just on theories of influence or some history of music.

  16. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Brazil
    Posts
    566
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by starry View Post
    But how can someone be considered great but also not be popular? It's like saying that people will list him as a great composer because they feel they have to (as they have been told he is the father of whatever) not because they like him. The only real understanding and sincere rating of a composer is imo on actually liking enough of the work and therefore considering someone great. Surely someone must be considered great on an understanding of the work not just on theories of influence or some history of music.
    Simply: Haydn, like Brahms was not long ago, became a musician's musician.

  17. #14
    Senior Member jhar26's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,443
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I think he's popular. Not mega-popular perhaps, but I imagine that most classical music lovers have some Haydn recordings in their collection.

  18. Likes Flamme, shangoyal liked this post
  19. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,279
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    Simply: Haydn, like Brahms was not long ago, became a musician's musician.
    You're saying that Haydn is far away from our time (in attitude/style or whatever) and therefore harder to understand for people now?

Page 1 of 51 1234511 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. I love Haydn
    By Ampersand Man in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 139
    Last Post: Mar-06-2019, 03:47
  2. Johann Michael Haydn...Related to ?
    By hawk in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: Jan-02-2012, 16:19
  3. Haydn Edition (Brilliant Classics, 2008)
    By bwv1080 in forum Recorded Music and Publications
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Apr-03-2009, 21:49
  4. Haydn
    By memoria in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Jul-05-2008, 06:12
  5. The Controversy over the true musical achievements of Haydn and Mozart
    By robert newman in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 391
    Last Post: Jun-09-2007, 09:20

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •