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Thread: Ring cycle : Barenboim vs. Levine vs. Karajan oh my!

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    I'd get them if I could afford them.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Yes the Pristine XR sound is much better than any other version you can buy, it will be very obvious.......

    FLAC is best sound quality download because it is lossless, same bit depth as CD format but you must have media player that reads FLAC file format, Windows Media Player and Apple I-Tunes require software update/conversion to enable FLAC playback......Apple has their own lossless format called ALAC

    I don't do the downloads, Gardibolt or other member here can perhaps give more info about the actual download process, he is a Pristine XR power buyer....

    You can also buy CDs in either finished jewel case or just discs and you print artwork and use you own jewel case for lower price which I do, takes about 3 weeks to get CDs (comes from France)
    I might have to bite the bullet and get the CDs. I don't want to take any chances. The CDs are tracked out, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I might have to bite the bullet and get the CDs. I don't want to take any chances. The CDs are tracked out, right?
    Yes CDs (actually CDRs) have tracks and the artwork has track info......no problem to play in any CD player or computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Was just on the Pristine website. Which option would one select for the best sound quality download? Flac? Is Flac just one single track for each of the operas? I wouldn't want that. Thanks for your help.
    If you buy FLACs, it's a separate file per track. If you buy the mp3s, they give you a single large file but also give you a .cue file, which can be used to split the single file into one file per track using a freeware cue splitter app, like Medieval. Not really sure why they switch things out like that but either is easy enough.

    Echo DA--if Pristine has a remastering of something you like as a performance but don't like the sound quality of, it's money very well spent to get their versions. The remastering they did on the Furtwangler/Scala recording is like black magic. Went from being an unlistenable cycle for me to my absolute favorite, and one that I've been compulsively listening to for the past 5 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I'd get them if I could afford them.
    Extra paper round perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Extra paper round perhaps?
    Well a ring is round!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Extra paper round perhaps?
    Already have 3
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

    "Man does not live by bread alone......"

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    With Pristine's older releases, you had to use Medieval or some other cue splitter with their cue sheets to split the mp3s; more recent releases have come pre-split. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that I had to split the mp3s for the Krauss Ring. Also, the mp3s are mono only; if you want the Ambient Stereo version you have to go FLAC or the CD route. I probably should have done the CDs but I was impatient.

    And 100% agree on the Furty La Scala remastering by Pristine. It went from unlistenable trash to one of the best sounding historic Rings I have (not quite as good as the 1955 Keilberth or the 1957 Kna, but pretty close, and that'll do). It's essential.
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    Head over to the "How Many Rings Do You Have" thread. There is a link to download the Proms 2013 Ring. Finally, I get to hear Stemme's Gotterdammerung Brunnhilde.

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    I need to remember to do that this weekend.
    Hours of unrecorded, unpublished and unknown Beethoven works at The Unheard Beethoven

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    With Pristine's older releases, you had to use Medieval or some other cue splitter with their cue sheets to split the mp3s; more recent releases have come pre-split. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that I had to split the mp3s for the Krauss Ring. Also, the mp3s are mono only; if you want the Ambient Stereo version you have to go FLAC or the CD route. I probably should have done the CDs but I was impatient.

    And 100% agree on the Furty La Scala remastering by Pristine. It went from unlistenable trash to one of the best sounding historic Rings I have (not quite as good as the 1955 Keilberth or the 1957 Kna, but pretty close, and that'll do). It's essential.
    It's not well known, but lossless FLAC files can also be split using .cue files, just as mp3s can. While I can't be certain I believe the cue file method is an older method for splitting files, before more modern editing software was available. It may also have to do with the fact that older mp3 playback had that annoying characteristic "gap" between tracks, which made continuous works such as many operas nearly unlistenable (especially through-composed works like Wagner's). Nowadays with modern mp3 players it's not so much a problem. My own playback on the computer is done via Foobar2000, which can play either preloaded separate tracks, or will automatically split them by opening the cue file.

    I use an editing software suite that allows me to export tracks as separate files, or as a single long file with a cue file to split it. I used it (as an example) with the Barenboim Proms Ring cycle. The nice thing about that method is that you can change just the audio characteristics of a music file and use the same cue file to split it without having to generate a bunch of new separate tracks.

    One correction I would make is that for a few years now Pristine's releases in mp3 format have also been available in Ambient Stereo. There are older ones that are mono only, and I believe you can get newer ones in MONO as well. But Ambient Stereo is no longer exclusive to the lossless formats.

    Absolutely agree about the Pristine Furt La Scala cycle--while there was a release on Archipel a few years ago that wasn't so horrible, the Pristine version outclasses anything out there soundwise. I only wish there hadn't been the cuts in the La Scala Ring, but that's less of an issue than I originally would have thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill H. View Post
    Absolutely agree about the Pristine Furt La Scala cycle--while there was a release on Archipel a few years ago that wasn't so horrible, the Pristine version outclasses anything out there soundwise. I only wish there hadn't been the cuts in the La Scala Ring, but that's less of an issue than I originally would have thought.
    You are right that if not for Pristine XR those new Archipel remasters would be the best CD version available, even slightly better than the Music & Arts boxset (that was best before those)

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    Archipel is what I have.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

    "Man does not live by bread alone......"

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    I jumped directly from the abysmal and unlistenable Murray Hill LPs of the La Scala 1950 directly to Pristine. It was a completely different world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    I jumped directly from the abysmal and unlistenable Murray Hill LPs of the La Scala 1950 directly to Pristine. It was a completely different world.
    I read a quote somewhere (perhaps Gradibolt referenced it) that decribed the sound like listening to those operas from a pay phone off the hook in the lobby of La Scala........that is so cruel but in a funny way, extra points touché!
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