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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I have the Goodall Ring and it is unlistenable. Goodall had zero sense of the works drama as evident by his overly plodding tempos. It's downright absurd and ridiculous.
    chacun à son goût

    for those who haven't heard it, at least this post tells you it's a Ring unlike any other.


    Magisterial would be my review of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belowpar View Post
    chacun à son goût

    for those who haven't heard it, at least this post tells you it's a Ring unlike any other.


    Magisterial would be my review of it.
    It is unlike any other. Fine singing ruined by a moronic conductor who sought nothing more than to inflate his ego. How else can one explain his ridiculously slow tempos that make absolutely no dramatic sense - like he knew better than Wagner (which is why I label him moronic). I also think the acclaim his set has received is nothing more than a case of the blind following the blind, or in this case - the deaf following the deaf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    It is unlike any other. Fine singing ruined by a moronic conductor who sought nothing more than to inflate his ego. How else can one explain his ridiculously slow tempos that make absolutely no dramatic sense - like he knew better than Wagner (which is why I label him moronic). I also think the acclaim his set has received is nothing more than a case of the blind following the blind, or in this case - the deaf following the deaf.
    Sorry can you speak up, I'm not quite getting the point you are struggling to make!

    My life just got simpler, I now have a new external source I can goto to have my opinions trashed.

    Previously that was my wife's job but I have recently suspected it's a role she seems to be ever more reluctant to play. One of us is obviously growing wiser.


    PS I don't know that much about Goodall, but most commenters refer to him as self effacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belowpar View Post
    Sorry can you speak up, I'm not quite getting the point you are struggling to make!

    My life just got simpler, I now have a new external source I can goto to have my opinions trashed.

    Previously that was my wife's job but I have recently suspected it's a role she seems to be ever more reluctant to play. One of us is obviously growing wiser.


    PS I don't know that much about Goodall, but most commenters refer to him as self effacing.
    Yeah, you have some good points and I apologize. We all like different things for different reasons. I guess more than anything I am so disappointed in the Goodall Ring because it's in English and I would love to have an English recording that I can listen to. It's just sooooooooooooooooo slow. I can't handle it. I keep trying to come back because opinions change over time, but I have a hard time understanding all the acclaim this set has.

    I will let your wife get back to it

    P.S. You live in London....lucky you. Best city in the world.

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    For those who are unfamiliar this is a chance to hear Goodall and Rita Hunter in the finale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I have the Goodall Ring and it is unlistenable. Goodall had zero sense of the works drama as evident by his overly plodding tempos. It's downright absurd and ridiculous.
    Really? Not as far as I'm concerned. Beautifully played and well sung. But each to his own.
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    Someone gave me the Tosca with Jane Eaglen, tried it ones .
    Enough said

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    Rattle's "Cunning Little Vixen" is wonderful, as are Mackerras' (English) "Jenůfa" and "Hansel & Gretel". Goodall's "Mastersingers of Nuremberg" is a favourite, and Paul Daniel's recordings of "Wozzeck" and "Lulu" are among the best I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belowpar View Post
    For those who are unfamiliar this is a chance to hear Goodall and Rita Hunter in the finale.

    WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO SLOW! Misses the dramatic mark by about 1,000 mile.s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Really? Not as far as I'm concerned. Beautifully played and well sung. But each to his own.
    It completely misses the drama. His tempos make absolutely no sense when you consider the action that is happening on the stage. It's often said his overly-plodding tempos reveal texture in Wagner's score. Yeah, if a train is moving slowly enough you can count the leaves on a tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    It completely misses the drama. His tempos make absolutely no sense when you consider the action that is happening on the stage. It's often said his overly-plodding tempos reveal texture in Wagner's score. Yeah, if a train is moving slowly enough you can count the leaves on a tree.
    That is precisely the reason I like the Goodall Ring. It makes all my favorite moments last longer
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    Goodall's Ring is for people who appreciate singing. Rita Hunter and Alberto Remedios are absolutely fantastic. I don't find it to be particularly slow, except for the Rhinemaiden music. I can imagine someone might start playing Rhinegold and not even get through the first scene and assume the rest is the same. It isn't thankfully.

    As for the immolation, that is a scene that requires reflection and quiet power. It's taken much faster by many conductors because the Brunnhildes can't hold out the notes as long as Hunter can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I have the Goodall Ring and it is unlistenable. Goodall had zero sense of the works drama as evident by his overly plodding tempos. It's downright absurd and ridiculous.
    "unlistenable" might be a bit strong, but I'm not a fan either. It reminds me of when I'm practicing a piece on the piano--after I've learned the notes, I like spending some time playing pieces very slowly straight through to really hear everything that I want to put together at tempo. But it's not like I'd want anyone to hear me playing something at half speed.

    Goodall's Wagner sounds like that--very revealing, but pretty draggy for listening straight through. I generally don't even get through a full scene at a time before wanting to switch to someone else's recording. I also can't really understand what words they're singing half the time, so no real benefit there.

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    Another disaster
    Donizetti ;Maria Stuarda

    Sung in English (translation by Tom Hammond)

    Dame Janet Baker (Mary Stuart), Rosalind Plowright (Elizabeth I), David Rendall (Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester), Alan Opie (Sir William Cecil), John Tomlinson (George Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury), Angela Bostock (Hannah Kennedy)

    English National Opera Orchestra, English National Opera Chorus, Sir Charles Mackerras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Another disaster
    Donizetti ;Maria Stuarda

    Sung in English (translation by Tom Hammond)

    Dame Janet Baker (Mary Stuart), Rosalind Plowright (Elizabeth I), David Rendall (Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester), Alan Opie (Sir William Cecil), John Tomlinson (George Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury), Angela Bostock (Hannah Kennedy)

    English National Opera Orchestra, English National Opera Chorus, Sir Charles Mackerras
    I have it. And I also have a DVD Mary Stuart sung in English with Janet Baker that I haven't watched yet, but for the confrontation scene (which is very good).
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