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    I will ask my sister the opera singer what she thinks. I just got a reply and she said a trained voice would never sound that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    I know Louis Armstrong didn't start out as a singer primarily, but I've always been bemused by why anyone finds that awful phlegmy sound remotely acceptable as a singing voice. .

    Beautiful diction, masterful rhythm and full of character. I hadn't realised his was a 'marmite' voice.

    You can say what you like about Luis, but in my company it had better be complimentary!

    Wonderful quirky version of arguably the greatest popular song of all. And yes kids he uses a word that was not invented by Deep Purple in the 1970's.





    Back to the tread. I feel many of these types of voices in popular music are whites trying to sound 'soulful' and to my mind Cocker and Tyler to name just two, sound forced and obviously acted. I love the young Rod Stewart but even he admits he was trying to sound like Sam Cooke. Dylan is a wonderful one off but it's hardly "bel canto".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belowpar View Post
    Beautiful diction, masterful rhythm and full of character. I hadn't realised his was a 'marmite' voice.

    You can say what you like about Luis, but in my company it had better be complimentary!

    Wonderful quirky version of arguably the greatest popular song of all. And yes kids he uses a word that was not invented by Deep Purple in the 1970's.





    Back to the tread. I feel many of these types of voices in popular music are whites trying to sound 'soulful' and to my mind Cocker and Tyler to name just two, sound forced and obviously acted. I love the young Rod Stewart but even he admits he was trying to sound like Sam Cooke. Dylan is a wonderful one off but it's hardly "bel canto".
    That Stardust performance is interesting because his phrasing is that of a distinguished musician, but the voice is one that I would have assumed was by common consent suitable only for comedy/novelty purposes. I was obviously wrong about the common consent part, perhaps misled by his 'selling out' in later years and making bad pop records such as 'What a Wonderful World'. (I once lived above an eccentric medical student who would play that record ON A LOOP for ages but would complain vociferously if I ever played John McCormack.) My favourite Stardust is a 1930s one by Bing Crosby (who was influenced by both Armstrong and McCormack inter alia, and also later sold out to a far more outrageous extent than Louis ever did) and though his voice is not entirely innocent of rasp, he uses it as a device rather than a constant feature, so it doesn't bother me to the same extent.

    I totally agree about the white singers trying to sound black thing. Bad idea, always comes off as affected- although I'm not enough of an aficionado of post 1940s pop to know whose influence is being channelled, and until this thread had no idea why Rod Stewart put on that silly voice. (Still waiting for an explanation of the hairstyle. ) I was trying to think of an example from pop music of a black singer trying to sound white and came up with only one, Leslie 'Hutch' Hutchinson. Goodness knows how his sound was arrived at, but I don't think African American music can take much of the credit/ blame!

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    I'm sure Hutch was singing for his audience and his material benefitted from excellent diction. Two others you could add to that school Bobby Short (although he retained his rasp) and the extraordinary Mabel Mercer. I saw Bobby Short and it was truly amazing - never seen so much energy.



    However the apotheosis of this was surely 25 years ago. All the white kids where I live were talking as they imagined kids in Harlem did. Meanwhile the biggest star in the world Michael Jackson was applying 'whiteface', employing rock drummers and had truly left the Church.

    I detest Wonderful World and All the Time..It really saddens me that people associate them with Louis.


    I'm not being deliberately obtuse but I must confess, my blindspot is Bing! Will try again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    but the raspy voice is an asset in some non-classical such as Johnny Winter.
    TV and radio commercial producers evidently value it also. That's the one thing that always grates on me when I hear male singers extolling the virtues of beer or automobiles. They always use sandpaper-voiced singers to suggest mucho macho manliness.

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