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    For me (and I suspect many others), the Leopold Stowkowski arrangement of The Rite of Spring for Walt Disney's Fantasia (accompanied by animated dinosaurs— What more could a kid want?!?) marked my introduction to Modern era classical music.

    For some time, Stravinsky was my favorite composer, and I still hold him in particularly high regard. I daresay that it was Rite of Spring that shook the very foundations of the musical world and pretty much brought about an end to the Romantic era. Certainly, Romantic music continued to be produced, but the political climate of the world and Europe in particular called out for a musical language that was capable of expressing raw turmoil. In emphasizing unusual rhythms (and furthering the unusual harmonies being explored by folk-inspired nationalist composers), Stravinky delivered that idiom, and the musical world hasn't been the same since. Nor did he stop at primitivism— he was a leader, not a follower, at the forefront of later trends in neoclassicism and serialism.

    To this day, and probably for the rest of my life, he will remain on my list of the top composers of all time, in the company of Beethoven, Wagner, and Mozart.
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    Stravinsky and Bach are my two favorite composers of all time. I like Stravinsky for the variety of his music- everything from the primitiveness of the Rite to the angelic harmonies of the Symphony of Psalms to the jazz of his ragtime pieces to the neoclassicism of Pulcinella. As for your assertion that he brought an end to the Romantic period, I would give that honor to Debussy or Schoenberg, but I think Stravinsky was a greater composer than either one.

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    While I can't say Stravinsky is my all time favourite, I have to say he is another underrated great composer. I love his Petruchka 3 Movements for Piano, a sparkling virtuoso piece. The Rite of Spring and The Firebird are also among my favourites.

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    I am an admirer of Stravinsky, and I count him among my favorite composers. I am more partial to his earlier works. As he got older, his music started to become more "modernist," and this is where he begins to lose me.

    Notwithstanding, The Firebird, Petrushka...and indeed the Rite...are exemplary, exciting works that command my attention often.

    Though it could easily be dismissed as nothing more than inspired juvenilia, his first symphony that he completed while under the guidance of Rimsky-Korsakov is a lot of fun and features some great orchestration...and even melodies...what a thing you don't often hear with this composer!
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    Stravinsky tried his hand at so much which shows great versatility and genius. He's a great composer in that respect, but also a great modernist. The Rite was ahead of its time but now it's a much loved piece scoring on the Classic FM's Hall of Fame. I only hope this will be the start of appreciation for the other revolutionaries like Schoenberg.
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    His Firebird hooked on classical music to begin with. Been 7 years since that, saw the ballet live, bought a CD (Harmonia Mundi, Cidade de Granada Orchestra), and I still love it
    I've heard much of his music now, but must admit that I only like The Firebird, The Rite and Appollon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixshade View Post
    I don't know how this guy is missing a forum of his own...

    For me (and I suspect many others), the Leopold Stowkowski arrangement of The Rite of Spring for Walt Disney's Fantasia (accompanied by animated dinosaurs— What more could a kid want?!?) marked my introduction to Modern era classical music.
    What do you mean "arrangment"? Isn't Stokowski conducting the original score of the Rite?

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    Stokowski is conducting Stravinsky's original 1913 orchestration, but the order of the various numbers does not always match the order of the ballet. So, Stokowsky re-arranged the order of some of the cues, but not the orchestation.
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    Also there were some pretty extreme liberties taken with balance to match the events of the film.

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    I may be wrong about my earlier comment that the original orchestration was used in Fantasia...I just read somewhere that Stoki monkied with the orchestration (mostly by reducing the forces) so the Philadelphia Orchestra would have an easier time performing it. I suspect that this is very likely, because when you listen to the music in the film, it does sound "thinner" than you'd expect. Then again, that could also be due to the primitive stereophonic recording system, too.
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    Fickle man, Stravinsky. The Rite of Spring gives him honours along side Beethoven and Mozart.. but his other music can be quite second rate..

    Not a better composer than Debussy. Definitely not.
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    Default Stravinsky & Debussy

    Stravinsky was just a great a composer as Debussy. But it's somewhat ridiculous to compare composers anyway. I mean, they all had something or other to offer & to say. Anyway, I like both of them equally for different reasons.

    Also interesting to note how Stravinsky met Debussy during his early years in Paris. & Debussy ballet Jeux was premiered around the same time as the Rite. They were both trying to change the course of music in different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lang View Post
    Also there were some pretty extreme liberties taken with balance to match the events of the film.
    As was the case with W.A.M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bach View Post
    Fickle man, Stravinsky. The Rite of Spring gives him honours along side Beethoven and Mozart.. but his other music can be quite second rate..

    Not a better composer than Debussy. Definitely not.
    WRONG!
    Check UP: Firebird, Patrushka, his symphonies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    WRONG!
    Check UP: Firebird, Patrushka, his symphonies.
    I think Firebird, Petrushka are all great works, and their quality should not be doubted.

    But take music like his ballet Jeu des Cartes...mediocre music at best, I think.
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