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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    We all have different tastes of course, and Florestan has already expressed elsewhere admiration for Callas.

    Personally, I would prefer Callas in each and every one of the roles you mentioned above, save, possibly, for Aida, a role that never really suited Callas even in her halcyon days, when she was hurling out a top Eb of magnificent proportions in the Triumphal Scene. Still, Callas makes the character of Aida much more multi-faceted than the two-dimensional character she often becomes.

    Price has her attractions in the other roles you mention as well of course, though i would still prefer Callas in all of them. She is nowhere near as interesting as Callas, nor does she sing a role such as the Leonora of Il Trovatore with anything like's Callas's fidelity to the score. Leonora is, after all, a transitional role and demands a sound coloratura technique,and requires a full command of fioriture and a good trill, something that was often forgotten by post-war spinto sopranos. Price's actual tone colour is absolutely perfect for the role, but she can be rhythmically imprecise.

    When it comes to Madama Buttefly, to my mind her beautifully sung, but emotionally bland performance comes a long way down the list after Callas, De Los Angeles, Dal Monte, Scotto and Freni.


    Not only is Leontyne Price light on the drama on the Karajan Tosca- but Karajan's 'handling' of Act II is, I'm afraid to say, dramatically uninspiring as well. I have in mind particularly Karajan and Price's treatment of "Orsù Tosca parlate"- which for me is one of the ne plus ultras in all of opera if its done with the dramatic intensity of Callas and De Sabata- which of course, no one seems to be able to remotely approximate.

    I do love the stellar Decca sound of the Price/Karajan recording though- and Price's "Vissi d'arte" is gorgeously and full-throatedly sung, if a bit weak in the coloring and dramatic inflections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    You can't live without this classic DECCA recording.
    So ditch them al and buy this set/



    This one comes in I believe three different packages, and beware there is another on with Doming also.
    This however is really the very best sound
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    Sound is nice but drama is essential.

    I can handle suboptimal sound.

    I can never handle boring singing.

    If I had to choose only two Toscas. . . . . . . . well, you know the rest.

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    The three best Toscas imo

    Callas / de Sabata

    Price / Karajan

    Gheorghiu / Pappano

    For DVD the Pappano is outstanding although I wish Terfel had had his hair cut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
    That is a really beautiful cover image!
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Oct-19-2015 at 17:41.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post




    Sound is nice but drama is essential.

    I can handle suboptimal sound.

    I can never handle boring singing.

    If I had to choose only two Toscas. . . . . . . . well, you know the rest.
    I think I would choose the live 1964 Callas Tosca over the studio recording, but wouldn't be really happy unless I could have both studio recordings, the live 1964 AND the live Mexico City from 1952 as well.

    Fortunately I DO have all four, plus the one from the Met in 1965 with Corelli. Five Callas Toscas? I must be a fan or something...

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    Last edited by The Conte; Oct-19-2015 at 21:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    I think I would choose the live 1964 Callas Tosca over the studio recording, but wouldn't be really happy unless I could have both studio recordings, the live 1964 AND the live Mexico City from 1952 as well.

    Fortunately I DO have all four, plus the one from the Met in 1965 with Corelli. Five Callas Toscas? I must be a fan or something...

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    Many thanks to our man arsvocalis on Ebay......may he return to operation soon


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    Another topic ruined.
    Just like the Maria Guleghina thread
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    Florestan, no one has asked the obvious question. Why do you have to get rid of any at all? Keep them. Less brilliant accounts (and every single one is less brilliant than the Callas-Gobbi-Sabata version) help you appreciate the more brilliant ones. It stops you taking them for granted.

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    Guess I better go on a Tosca listening spree before I make any decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Another topic ruined.
    Just like the Maria Guleghina thread
    In what way ruined ? Could you elaborate?
    "It's not enough to have a beautiful voice." Maria Callas

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Many thanks to our man arsvocalis on Ebay......may he return to operation soon

    [IMG]http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mHLX8EqKQEkJvVMpehAEY0A.jpg
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
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    Did you end up getting all of the arsvocalis Callas remasters, Dark Angel?

    - You know I did.

    (Even the ridiculous "stereo" re-engineers of the mono originals.)
    Last edited by Marschallin Blair; Oct-20-2015 at 20:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    In what way ruined ? Could you elaborate?
    Yes, please expound.

    And elaborate.

    And even spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post

    Did you end up getting all of the arsvocalis Callas remasters, Dark Angel?

    - You know I did.

    (Even the ridiculous "stereo" re-engineers of the mono originals.)
    Of course I have them all......

    and I still am big fan of the Callas EMI stereo remakes for full room stereo playback, on my system they sound really impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Of course I have them all......

    and I still am big fan of the Callas EMI stereo remakes for full room stereo playback, on my system they sound really impressive

    I no likey, Darkey.

    I found the sound synthetic and intrusive.

    - To each our beautiful own though.

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