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Thread: Is there a correlation between political orientation and love for classical music?

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    Default Is there a correlation between political orientation and love for classical music?

    We already had a similar thread about possible connection between political/religious beliefs and musical taste, here. I thought it would be interesting to include a poll on this issue. I'm asking you whether you are politically coservative or liberal. I presume classical music lovers tend to be more conservative. We will see what results the poll will yield.
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    I suspect in the United States the correlation would go the other way.

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    I can't answer the question. In some matters I'm very conservative, some I'm moderate and a few where I am very progressive. I'm just me.

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    If you want a poll that takes in the possible spectrum of political tendency at TC, you'll need to use more terms than just the two you've selected, or at least make clear what you mean by 'conservative' and 'liberal'. In the UK, your terms might describe only the centre and the centre right of opinion. I suspect in some countries, the term 'liberal' describes anything to the left of centre.
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    ComposerofAvantGarde has sent me an interesting private massage on this topic. Since he is not allowed to comment on this forum, I'm posting his massage below:

    I'm banned from that part of the forum, but if you'd like I will reply in a private message.

    I would suspect that people who are true fans of classical music in the world TODAY would hold more liberal views in terms of funding for the arts and allowing for government subsidies for orchestras and ensembles and opera companies etc. rather than advocate for private ownership of orchestras. Government interests in terms of bettering their own country will help to establish greater local new music scenes as well as help diversify repertoire heard in the concert hall. Privately owned orchestras will often be based on the kind of business model that intends to profit as its primary goal.

    An interesting thing about the homogeneity in pop music today as opposed to pop music several decades ago is due to the nature of capitalism as a generator of profit based on public demand. Certain musical traits and aesthetics proved to meet the majority of pop music audience's wants more than diversity of different approach did, so simple chord progressions and catchy melodies and lyrics on popular themes ended up becoming similar features or even the same feature in a lot of top 40 songs today, thus killing off the diversity of before.

    A privately owned orchestra will do much the same in terms of their approach to commissioning composers and hiring soloists. Gradually there will be less and less diversity in concert hall repertoire as patrons prefer to pay for fewer composers with aesthetics that are closer to warhorse repertoire than they would to a broader range of diverse classical styles.

    Of course, one could also say that for those who prefer the medium of the CD and have collections of CDs that number in the thousands that were paid for themselves would probably be more inclined to side with economic conservatism, free market capitalism and so on because of their position in society and their disposable income as evident in their CD collection. It depends on what one would choose to support I suppose....record companies and orchestras as corporations (conservative) OR the musicians and music themselves (liberal).

    Just food for thought. I would be delighted if you could quote this private message in that thread so I can somehow get my point across.


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    Same here as MacLeod pointed out -

    the liberal parties in Denmark are adherents to a relatively extreme capitalism and a minute state,

    conservatives are right-wing as regards moral values, but are a bit more towards the centre in the field of preserving social functions of the state,

    whereas social democrats and various left-wingers represent leftist/increased tolerance morally plus supporting a strong state, actively working against tendencies to social inequality.

    In that sense, I belong mostly to the last group, but voted "liberal" due to the workings of the poll.

    However, we have many parties, also some pointing out environmental or alternative policies, and the overall picture is somewhat muddy.
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    http://www.politicalcompass.org for one gives a more useful perspective than the simplistic conservative/liberal divide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    http://www.politicalcompass.org for one gives a more useful perspective than the simplistic conservative/liberal divide.
    The test questions are incredibly loaded though. It makes everyone more left-liberal than they are.

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    Well yes, I wouldn't put too much store in the details of the results, but the basic idea of two axes rather than a simple left/right or conservative/liberal divide is sound.
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    There's some truth to that. For instance calling both libertarians and fascists simply "right-wing" doesn't make much sense. The concept of "authoritarian leftism" funny though. It is in a way inherently contradictory, since leftism is supposedly all about egalitarianism and authoritarianism contradicts with that. Yet at the same we know all too well that various "leftist" movements have been very authoritarian in their methods. On the other hand there's nothing contradictory about authoritarian right-wingers.

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    Love of Music isn't tied to any Political Orientation. If anything it is a common interest that unites People with different outlooks and backgrounds.

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    By a conservative I understand someone who is backward oriented, loves tradition, is inclined towards order and discipline, prefers predictability to the uncertainty of change, likes static environment instead of dynamic one.

    But I can see why in some countries classical music fans are rather liberal than conservative. In countries like USA conservatives oppose big public spending, including spending on classical music institutions like opera houses, conservatories and orchestras. And in some countries conservatives represent less educated and sophisticated parts of society, like rural population or lower classes, that is another thing that could turn the classical music listeners away from conservative parties.
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    In Holland we have a Mozart lookalike who is not laughing much, wants to close the borders for refugees, get out of the EU and who scorns everything that's connected with a certain religion. My guess is that he never ever listened to Mozart. Polls state that he will win about 34% of the votes in the next election. That's a different cup of tea than 'being' conservative or liberal...
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