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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Thanks for your kind encouragement. I came across this video and I must say the dance is an astounding feat of strength, art and passion, all done on street level with spontaneity:
    Thanks for your contribution. I enjoy baile flamenco and have included several examples in the thread. Where I find dance particularly appealing is in informal, pueblo flamenco settings where individuals observing the singer and the guitarist feel suddenly inspired by the emotion engendered by el cante to rise and dance--the urge to dance transcending any reticence due to lack of formal training or physical beauty. The one area where flamenco has most deviated from its origins as both a private affair and one primarily directed as an enterprise appealing to the fine tastes of the señoritos who hired flamencos, was dance. Dance was not a primary feature of flamenco juergas nor of the presentations to the señoritos, whose interests were chiefly in cante. Over the years, though, as flamenco gained a wider non-flamenco audience, dance became both featured and ever more stylized and remote from its indigenous roots--a form of "high" art that I find highly artificial. When dance critics for the NYTimes begin to pontificate on flamenco dance, we are far removed from authentic flamenco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    When dance critics for the NYTimes begin to pontificate on flamenco dance, we are far removed from authentic flamenco.
    Oh no, what have those journalists been pontificating about? I find the dance to be the high point of a complete authentic experience here, above the vocal and the guitar (and clapping).

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    The thread is about Cante Flamenco. There is a clue in the word cante! Cante is the heart and soul of flamenco which Strange fully understands and has demonstrated such in this thread. Baile is an addendum. Important but secondary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Oh no, what have those journalists been pontificating about? I find the dance to be the high point of a complete authentic experience here, above the vocal and the guitar (and clapping).
    I'm sure you do. Most people do not like cante. Once flamenco was seen to be a draw for tourists and general audiences beyond the aficionados, guitar (solo) and dance became what people understood to be flamenco. But we (I certainly) owe much to show-biz flamenco, otherwise I would have learned of flamenco by pure luck only. It was by seeing people like Jose Greco (from Italy and Brooklyn) on TV that I first saw flamenco and heard some cante, and then started to buy LPs of cante from Spanish labels (Montilla), and companies like Elektra, RCA, and, most important, the epoch Hispavox/Westminster 3-LP anthology of cante (1955 or thereabouts). The irony is that, since flamenco was never regarded in Spain as a wholesome art form, the image of tourist and traveling troupe flamenco became even in Spain what flamenco was all about. it was only when some American, French, German, British, and other outsiders showed Spaniards just what treasure they had in cante that cante was revived among both flamencos and non-flamencos in Spain and recognized as the heart of real flamenco.
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    I've always thought of Cante Flamenco as the soul of the art. The singer and guitarist express the music in a distinct and unique style of singing/playing, bringing African, Arabic, as well as, Spanish elements.

    The dancing, IMO, can be beautiful, but ultimately dispensable.

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    I suppose the artists can choose to include or exclude what they please with the dance. It seems the only one immune from this is the guitar line, which is the one most discussed on forums. I have no doubt that people in Spain continue this tradition without the dance part but I think the trio (dance, voice and guitar, or quartet if you include the claps) makes a wholesome experience. In 2010 flamenco reached World Heritage Treasure status thanks to the very reflection it does to Spanish art and culture. (In case if anyone is wondering, I am not of Spanish descent in any way).

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    Manolo Caracol - Venganza (FANDANGOS)


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    Niño Marchena - Fiesta de Romería (Aires de los Romeros de Alamonte)



    José Tejada Martín. Marchena (Seville), 1903 - Seville, 1976. Singer. He called himself Niño de Marchena at the beginning of his career. He was the main protagonist of the stage of the Flamenco Opera, given the afandangados styles.

    From a very humble family, in which there were no artistic precedents, although the father was intoned well with malagueñas and soleares. At the age of seven, that child prodigy was already astonished and at twelve or fourteen he would walk through the taverns of Marchena and other surrounding towns making his little songs in exchange for a few coins. In 1920, he was already established in Madrid as a figure of cante with new ways and in which a great future was presumed. In addition to fandangos, he stood out in genres such as the airs from America, the cantes from Malaga and the miner-Levantines.

    Falsetto and watermarks were characteristic of Marchena's cante, which was described as "pretty" due to its precious qualities. He took personal creation to its last consequences, introducing recitations in cante and inventing unprecedented stylistic crossovers. His cante had and still has followers, although no less detractors. He left an extensive discography and made numerous films.

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    Melchor de Marchena _ Rito y Geografïa del cante Flamenco


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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    Melchor de Marchena _ Rito y Geografïa del cante Flamenco

    Fabulous video. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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    Manuel Vallejo - Creyendo Que Iba a Volver (Fandangos)


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    LIX Festival de Cante Jondo Antonio Mairena



    Singing starts at 23:32 if the video doesn't automatically begin at that point.

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