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    Lightbulb Conductor survivor game

    Taking as a departure point the recent poll on conductors, I wish to propose an idea, humbly "borrowed" (i.e.: ripped off) from another forum, and initiate the conductor survivor/elimination game. The list of conductors will be taken directly from the original poll on this topic. A poster may then have 2 "+" votes and 2 "minus" votes for the list, which may be entered cumulatively, if desired (that is to say, you may assign 1 "+" vote each for 2 conductors, or the entire "+2" to 1 conductor. Likewise, one may do the same with the negative votes. [However, you may not forgo negative votes in return for more positive votes, nor conversely]). You may vote as often as the thread stays open, but you may vote no more than once daily. [This oughn't need saying, but previous experience says I should make this clear]: only members posting on TalkClassical are permitted to vote.. No 'proxies' for your spouse/significant other/long-lost uncle, or family dog.

    Since we'll soon be in the "12 days of Christmas," 12 will be a magic number. All conductors will start with 10 points- and when a conductor reaches +22 (in other words, +12 in votes) they will advance to a final poll for all-time favorite TalkClassical conductor. Likewise, if a conductor reaches (negative) 12, their place on the list will be forfeit. Whoever casts the final vote that insures the advancement OR elimination of a conductor will be allowed to replace the conductor advanced, or eliminated, with one of their choosing.

    The poll will end when 10 conductors achieve 'Divine Ascension,' (thus entering a new thread polling for all-time favorite), or when a dozen conductors have been dismissed to purgatory (in which case the remaining names will automatically be the field for the final poll).

    Since one of the goals of the thread is occasional lively discussion and "electioneering," additional comment is encouraged, but in the spirit of the rapid-fire nature of such threads, I'd request that such comments be very brief and/or in small print. Any further questions- please clarify your point of inquiry before voting. O.K.: ready? I'll go first-

    Before:
    Toscanini- 10
    Beecham- 10
    Sargent- 10
    Karajan- 10
    Solti- 10
    Bernstein- 10
    Jansons- 10
    Rattle- 10
    Alsop- 10
    Dudamel- 10

    After:
    Toscanini- 10
    Beecham- 10
    Sargent- 10
    Karajan- 11
    Solti- 11
    Bernstein- 10
    Jansons- 10
    Rattle- 10
    Alsop- 9
    Dudamel- 9

    With names like Furtwängler and Walter not on this list, we have to get rid of the 'flavor-of-the-month' conductors as soon as possible.
    The hardest knife ill us'd doth lose his edge. Shakespeare- Sonnet 95

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    Toscanini- 10
    Beecham- 10
    Sargent- 10
    Karajan- 12
    Solti- 12
    Bernstein- 10
    Jansons- 10
    Rattle- 10
    Alsop- 9
    Dudamel- 7

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    Well, if it was allowed, Furtwängler would appear on the list after my vote with +2... but sticking to the rules (tough time choosing between Toscanini and Solti. Disregarding the urge to electioneer: )

    Toscanini - 10
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 10
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 10
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 7

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    Toscanini - 11
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 11
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 9
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 6
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    Toscanini - 11
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 11
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 11 (+2)
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 4 (-2)


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    Toscanini - 9
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 13
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 11
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 4
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    Toscanini - 9
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 13
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 13 (+2)
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 2 (-2)


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    The following changes nothing in the intent of the thread- it's simply a clarification of previous wording. Earlier, I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_town/Philly View Post
    ...if a conductor reaches (negative) 12, their place on the list will be forfeit.
    To make it more clear, when a conductor reaches (negative) 12 in VOTE TOTAL, that eliminates the conductor. It's an issue of balance-- +12 votes (to 22) advances the conductor, (minus) 12 votes [taking the total to (negative) 2] eliminates the conductor. If it helps, think of it like the 'Dungeons & Dragons' rule... zero hit points doesn't kill you (it merely makes you unconscious), but it's the negative total that reserves your place in the choir invisible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_town/Philly View Post
    Whoever casts the final vote that insures the advancement OR elimination of a conductor will be allowed to replace the conductor advanced, or eliminated, with one of their choosing.
    This was incomplete. Any new conductor(s) entered in this manner will begin with +10 points, so that they'll have the same opportunity for advancement or relegation as any other conductor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_town/Philly View Post
    The poll will end when 10 conductors achieve 'Divine Ascension,' (thus entering a new thread polling for all-time favorite), or when a dozen conductors have been dismissed to purgatory (in which case the remaining names will automatically be the field for the final poll).
    Of course, if a dozen conductors have been eliminated, any conductors who've already achieved 'Divine Ascension' will automatically take their place in the finals, with the other spots taken by the remaining conductors with the highest current vote totals. In the event of a relevant tie, the tie will be broken by the first conductor to get to and retain that vote total.

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    So wait, this means we can add a conductor when one of the others is eliminated?

    Toscanini - 7 (-2)
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 13
    Solti - 13
    Bernstein - 15 (+2)
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 13
    Alsop - 7
    Dudamel - 2
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    Toscanini - 7
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 12 (-1)
    Solti - 14 (+1)
    Bernstein - 16 (+1)
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 13
    Alsop - 6 (-1)
    Dudamel - 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by World Violist View Post
    So wait, this means we can add a conductor when one of the others is eliminated?
    Yes, if you're the one who admininsters 'the last needle.' Furthermore, if your vote is the one that advances a conductor to the "Divine" level of +22, then you can replace the ascendent conductor.

    O.K.: Time for my second vote:

    Toscanini- 7
    Beecham- 10
    Sargent- 10
    Karajan - 12
    Solti- 16 (+2)
    Bernstein- 16
    Jansons- 10
    Rattle- 13
    Alsop- 5 (-1)
    Dudamel- 1 (-1)

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    Toscanini - 7
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 12
    Solti - 16
    Bernstein - 16
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 15 (+2)
    Alsop - 5
    Dudamel - -1 (-2)


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    Heh heh heh... I just noticed that I can vote repeatedly, and there's a sitting duck!

    Toscanini - 7
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    + Karajan - 13
    Solti - 16
    Bernstein - 16
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 15
    – Alsop - 4
    Dudamel - -2 -
    + Furtwängler - 11 (I see no prohibition against voting for my own addition...)

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    Hmm, I'm more than a bit confused as to why repeated votes would be allowed?

    Edit: That is to say, how they enhance the game--I see where they are allowed in the rules.

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    Toscanini - 7
    Beecham - 10
    Sargent - 10
    Karajan - 12 (-1)
    Solti - 16
    Bernstein - 16
    Jansons - 10
    Rattle - 14 (-1)
    Alsop - 4
    Furtwangler -13 (+2)

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