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    Avoiding material such as overall changes, averages and the climate discussion can also be a strategy. On most channels, weather reporting is given plenty (too much) of time due to its entertainment value, with all sorts of relevant and irrelevant small stories being thrown in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    I'm not sure how his religious views have any bearing on his reporting the weather. He has his own views on AGW, but that really falls outside of his role as a meteorologist, and so you don't see him discussing it when giving the 1, 5, and 10 day forecasts, or when discussing which areas should expect strong winds, hail, or tornadoes, and which areas need to seek shelter.
    He has read about a god and believes that our climate system was set up to be resilient and self-correcting by that god. He's well-informed about meteorology and he tells his viewers that climatologists are wrong. He's now famous worldwide for saying it's been a money grab by people in the scientific field. We have nothing to worry about. You don't worry about climate change either? so it doesn't matter to you that climatology's not his field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    Avoiding material such as overall changes, averages and the climate discussion can also be a strategy. On most channels, weather reporting is given plenty (too much) of time due to its entertainment value, with all sorts of relevant and irrelevant small stories being thrown in.
    Have you looked for climate change? What would you present? Your station would need to make money to pay salaries and production costs, so you need the eyeballs routinely tuning in. The problem is, it's very early in the warming so the situation is still quite technical (eyes glass over and change the channel).

    But maybe you already have examples which need to be made accessible and emphasized? I have a few, but deniers will pounce on them, and so they should, because like I said it's very early in the warming. The field is mostly concerned with the acceleration of trends into the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    He has read about a god and believes that our climate system was set up to be resilient and self-correcting by that god. He's well-informed about meteorology and he tells his viewers that climatologists are wrong. He's now famous worldwide for saying it's been a money grab by people in the scientific field. We have nothing to worry about. You don't worry about climate change either? so it doesn't matter to you that climatology's not his field.
    I don't get why you are insisting on blowing this out of proportion. I watch him all the time, and had no clue about his views on AGW. Until today. Are you upset he doesn't say it more? Are you saying he should? Do you think he should be punished professionally or something? Dissenting voices must be silenced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Have you looked for climate change? What would you present? Your station would need to make money to pay salaries and production costs, so you need the eyeballs routinely tuning in. The problem is, it's very early in the warming so the situation is still quite technical (eyes glass over and change the channel).

    But maybe you already have examples which need to be made accessible and emphasized? I have a few, but deniers will pounce on them, and so they should, because like I said it's very early in the warming. The field is mostly concerned with the acceleration of trends into the future.
    The situation is very different in my country, and I think in most of mainland Europe. We have serious weathermen going into the debate also on TV and during broadcasting, and the state finances of the major 2 channels are more prominent, making programme policy more independent, less commercial. One of the most popular and well educated hosts has recently retired and became a public media climate activist. Scientifically, he's rather heavy-weight, with a big book production on his CV.

    We have Greenland as an obvious example for debate, plus obvious changes in the weather conditions locally down here on the mainland too. The changes are being told about, but the reasons behind aren't being announced monolitically, there's debate and uncertainty factors involved too. However, there's much more consensus in Europe about the man-made factors. After our latest, recent elections, the last sceptical party, which is rather low-brow, had to give in and start formulating climate policy too, replacing their talk of "climate-craziness".

    Due to geographical conditions, our politicians have to organize say protection against the already apparent increasing flooding of cities into their city planning (there's been much more rain), so public discussion is simply necessary, not at least regarding our capital. Add to this the official, ambitious CO2 reduction policies. All this has resulted in a lot of concrete measures and increased attention among the general public, concerning CO2 attitudes, travel modes, use of natural ressources, food and meat consumption, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    I don't get why you are insisting on blowing this out of proportion. I watch him all the time, and had no clue about his views on AGW. Until today. Are you upset he doesn't say it more? Are you saying he should? Do you think he should be punished professionally or something? Dissenting voices must be silenced?
    When weighing in with your expertise in a scientific debate you wouldn't broadcast that you have enormous faith and so there's no danger and that other experts are conniving for money. I would need some good evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    The situation is very different in my country, and I think in most of mainland Europe. We have serious weathermen going into the debate also on TV and during broadcasting, and the state finances of the major 2 channels are more prominent, making programme policy more independent, less commercial. One of the most popular and well educated hosts has recently retired and became a public media climate activist. Scientifically, he's rather heavy-weight, with a big book production on his CV.

    We have Greenland as an obvious example for debate, plus obvious changes in the weather conditions locally down here on the mainland too. The changes are being told about, but the reasons behind aren't being announced monolitically, there's debate and uncertainty factors involved too. However, there's much more consensus in Europe about the man-made factors. After our latest, recent elections, the last sceptical party, which is rather low-brow, had to give in and start formulating climate policy too, replacing their talk of "climate-craziness".

    Due to geographical conditions, our politicians have to organize say protection against the already apparent increasing flooding of cities into their city planning (there's been much more rain), so public discussion is simply necessary, not at least regarding our capital. Add to this the official, ambitious CO2 reduction policies. All this has resulted in a lot of concrete measures and increased attention among the general public, concerning CO2 attitudes, travel modes, use of natural ressources, food and meat consumption, etc.

    Thanks for giving us a view of what's going on.

    I have to say that I haven't found any climate changes persisting beyond a year, or a year and a half, through the four seasons. We did get a big shock over the last few decades in the planetary wave number (I've mentioned before that it's been reduced from 7 to 9 down to 5 to 7). This has resulted in longer periods of drought and flooding, polar vortices which fall much farther south, and delays in the onset of seasons.

    You can picture the global circulation as a bubbling cauldron, and so, any departures from ‘normal' can be argued to be natural variations. No one has to explain these AND no one CAN convincingly explain these, anymore than we can predict the bubbles in a boiling pan of water. So the deniers will continue to have this for a few more decades.
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    (sorry, double posting) ...................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Thanks for giving us a view of what's going on.

    I have to say that I haven't found any climate changes persisting beyond a year, or a year and a half, through the four seasons. We did get a big shock over the last few decades in the planetary wave number (I've mentioned before that it's been reduced from 7 to 9 down to 5 to 7). This has resulted in longer periods of drought and flooding, polar vortices which fall much farther south, and delays in the onset of seasons.

    You can picture the global circulation as a bubbling cauldron, and so, any departures from ‘normal' can be argued to be natural variations. No one has to explain these AND no one CAN convincingly explain these, anymore than we can predict the bubbles in a boiling pan of water. So the deniers will continue to have this for a few more decades.
    I'm not quite sure what you are referring to, but one example is the otherwise desolate Svalbard.

    Rising temperatures since at least 1980, the yearly average temperature has gone up 4 C. This includes all months of the year, winter months are up 7-8 C, summer months are up 2 C or more.

    https://www.bjerknes.uib.no/en/artic...-last-50-years
    https://cms.met.no/site/2/klimaservi...ts=169fd13ff23(such as p.8, 9, 51, 52, 126-131 etc.)
    https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalb...n/climate.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    I'm not quite sure what you are referring to, but one example is the otherwise desolate Svalbard.

    Rising temperatures since at least 1980, the yearly average temperature has gone up 4 C. This includes all months of the year, winter months are up 7-8 C, summer months are up 2 C or more.

    https://www.bjerknes.uib.no/en/artic...-last-50-years
    https://cms.met.no/site/2/klimaservi...ts=169fd13ff23(such as p.8, 9, 51, 52, 126-131 etc.)
    https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalb...n/climate.html
    All that warming at Svalbard and has its climate changed? It's predicted to very soon.
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    It's pretty much in the report, with the prospects for 2100.

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    This summer in Jerusalem has been a pretty average one so far, temps have been around 29-33c in days for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    It's pretty much in the report, with the prospects for 2100.
    Yes, the predictions are scientifically reliable, but I'd like to have one example of climate change I can point to when people ask me for one.

    The accelerated warming of the high latitudes has decreased the north-south gradient and largely contributed to the decrease in the planetary wave number, to the surprise of weather-watchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds Weep Snowflakes View Post
    This summer in Jerusalem has been a pretty average one so far, temps have been around 29-33c in days for the most part.
    Yes, the temperatures in the Arctic have risen very fast and so the rising average for the whole planet AND where most people live, hasn't been noticeable in the weather cycles.
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