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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    It seems that major seller like Presto Classical currently has a selection of around 280 different classical / ~classical LP titles, and JPC.de an impressive 880 titles. Very different from the situation a few years ago.

    Danish Pladeklassikeren, a stubborn fighter for vinyl ever since the arrival of the CD, seems to have 548 titles in store, plus many more second-hand of course.
    It's like walking in to a candy shop, wonderful al those new releases.
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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    there was something else about vinyl...I remember when I was young and in college, the fellas would be over and we'd be drinking beers and listening to records and because a vinyl record side only lasted about 20 minutes, playing the records, changing the records, and looking for what we might play next was the work that we collectively did.

    there would be the record we were listening to now....the record that was "on deck" and ready to go on next, and then there would be a couple of fellas digging through the record collection looking for what else to play.

    we heard a lot more variety in an evening

    With CDs you lose all that. You don't get to participate as a group in finding the records and deciding what comes next. A CD is a lot longer than 20 minutes, too. With those 5 CD changers, you start something and it just goes...its a very different dynamic

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese View Post
    Big shot it all depends on the equipment used and condition/ quality of the recordings both for CD and Vinyl- its as simple as that.
    A CD has better ability to reproduce sound than an LP on every aspect of quality... broader dynamics, less distortion, wider frequency response, better signal to noise. So a CD can completely contain the information on an LP. If you take the Linn and play back the LP into a capture card capable of CD quality sound, the resulting file will sound *exactly* the same as the LP. I used to work on a ProTools work station at my job. I did just this at both 16/44.1 and 24/96. Lining up the file with the record, volume matching and switching back and forth blind, there was absolutely no audible difference. Try it, you'll see for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Miller View Post
    there would be the record we were listening to now....the record that was "on deck" and ready to go on next, and then there would be a couple of fellas digging through the record collection looking for what else to play. we heard a lot more variety in an evening
    With my media server, I can do the exact same thing with my phone... set up a playlist, search, add to playlist. I can even set up individual tracks to compare Pavarotti to Caruso on the same aria, or set up a smart playlist to select music based on whatever criteria I want... "Play music that I haven't heard in six months in the Baroque genre but not by Bach and not on the harpsichord." I can play my music library on random shuffle, and it will play 24 hours a day 7 days a week for a year and a half without playing the same music twice. And I don't have to get up off the couch a single time to change records. You can't easily do that with LPs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    With my media server, I can do the exact same thing with my phone... set up a playlist, search, add to playlist. I can even set up individual tracks to compare Pavarotti to Caruso on the same aria, or set up a smart playlist to select music based on whatever criteria I want... "Play music that I haven't heard in six months in the Baroque genre but not by Bach and not on the harpsichord." I can play my music library on random shuffle, and it will play 24 hours a day 7 days a week for a year and a half without playing the same music twice. And I don't have to get up off the couch a single time to change records. You can't easily do that with LPs!
    you don't get it.

    of course you can do the same thing with your phone

    it was the active participation of the fellas flipping through the records, the arguing over what would be next, the fact that in 20 minutes the side would be over and we wre going to have to have another record ready...

    and the sheer fact that we were listening to "sides" not whole records. In fact, many records were made that each "side" was sort of organic

    these are my memories of vinyl

    I was a junior in college before CDs were even on the market, so I actually grew up listening to records. Probably why I can pick a digital recording out of a dense fog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Miller View Post
    you don't get it.

    of course you can do the same thing with your phone

    it was the active participation of the fellas flipping through the records, the arguing over what would be next, the fact that in 20 minutes the side would be over and we wre going to have to have another record ready...
    You guys have different thoughts on the word "search". I like what you are saying Nate about flipping through records. I do the same thing but it's with CDs. We might disagree on the format but our thoughts of the word "search" is the same.

    And I don't have to get up off the couch a single time to change records. You can't easily do that with LPs!
    What's so hard about getting up and changing out a LP/CD? That's part of the fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDs View Post
    You guys have different thoughts on the word "search". I like what you are saying Nate about flipping through records. I do the same thing but it's with CDs. We might disagree on the format but our thoughts of the word "search" is the same.



    What's so hard about getting up and changing out a LP/CD? That's part of the fun.
    this is what I'm getting at....with vinyl records we played "sides" and that has no corollary in the CD world

    then the physical searching through the stacks of records, that was part of the group activity of a bunch of music students listening to records. People just don't do this anymore, so if you are under the age of 40 you probably have no concept of what I am talking about.

    one of the things about the size of a vinyl record as opposed to a CD case...the larger size actually makes it so multiple people can be going through the stack and they aren't in each other's way. Don't know how to convey that to someone who only ever knew digital CDs

    anyway, this is about our memories of vinyl, isn't it? and that process of listening to records is different now. It just is.
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    there's another memory of vinyl I have....

    I learned how to play on the bandstand and from records. I started playing gigs downtown in Houston when I was 14, so I had been playing steady gigs for several years before I got to music school and started playing classical guitar

    so we learned by dropping a needle on a record. I tore up a lot of records like that

    my 14 year old nephew is learning to play from You tube. We used to have to scour the city to find records of players we liked, and then we had to drop the needle on the record over and over learning the tunes, learning the solos, and that sort of thing.

    even to this day, when I start work on a new piece, I like to find a recording and just listen to it over and over for several days until the music is in my head before I even pick up the guitar and start to work on the piece

    old habits die hard, I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    With my media server, I can do the exact same thing with my phone... set up a playlist, search, add to playlist. I can even set up individual tracks to compare Pavarotti to Caruso on the same aria, or set up a smart playlist to select music based on whatever criteria I want... "Play music that I haven't heard in six months in the Baroque genre but not by Bach and not on the harpsichord." I can play my music library on random shuffle, and it will play 24 hours a day 7 days a week for a year and a half without playing the same music twice. And I don't have to get up off the couch a single time to change records. You can't easily do that with LPs!
    but ground control to major Tom: we hate iTunes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Miller View Post
    this is what I'm getting at....with vinyl records we played "sides" and that has no corollary in the CD world
    78s have one song to a side, so each side of the record seems to have a "personality". Collectors call a 78 with one worn side and one pristine side a "night and day" record. The object itself is great, but I'm focused on the music. My media server helps me focus on specific works, and I can play Beethoven's 9th all the way through without changing sides four times. To me, that is an advantage that outweighs having sides.

    I do remember searching through my record stacks, squinting to try to read the spines, not being able to find what I'm looking for because it was misfiled, spending several weekends in a row plowing through the stacks alphabetizing. I really don't miss any of that. And I do pick music with my friends. I hand the phone to someone and they pick a few songs to add to the playlist. Then someone else picks a few. Then I do. It's the same as pulling from the stacks, except you don't have to sit on the floor and put all the records back where they go when you're done.

    Just like computers and the internet, a media server is the sort of thing you don't realize you need until you have one. And then you can't live without it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adamus View Post
    but ground control to major Tom: we hate iTunes
    That's probably because your library is set up in a way that goes counter to the way iTunes works. I also use Plex, which requires a very specific naming convention. If you don't follow it, Plex doesn't work at all. But if you do, it is the best thing since sliced bread.
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    That's probably because your library is set up in a way that goes counter to the way iTunes works. I also use Plex, which requires a very specific naming convention. If you don't follow it, Plex doesn't work at all. But if you do, it is the best thing since sliced bread.

    But you 'retagged/renamed' your iTunes libraries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    The object itself is great, but I'm focused on the music. My media server helps me focus on specific works, and I can play Beethoven's 9th all the way through without changing sides four times. To me, that is an advantage that outweighs having sides.
    you missed what I was talking about with "sides"

    in vinyl records where you have about 20 minutes a "side", records were organized so that the tunes on a single side were meant to be heard together as a unit. Think about the flip side to Abbey Road by the Beatles.

    it has nothing to do with the physical record, it more like programming a recital with an intermission in the middle

    the tracs on each "side" of a record are meant to be heard together as a "set".

    I think you are focused on your technology and missing some of the quaintness of a bygone era

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    you missed what I was talking about with "sides"

    and the last track is always lesser quality.
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    listen to this:

    http://www.thenexttrack.com/♫-episod...nd-technology/

    & ethan Winer (google it )
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