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    I am somewhat bemused by the current enthusiasm, among some, for vinyl. Back in the day, they were never called "vinyl," simply records -- after 78s, usually called LP or stereo records.

    I certainly don't miss them one iota. Aside from the endless fiddling with turntables, there was the insoluble problem of clicks and pops from dust, and of scratches arising from nowhere, no matter how carefully you handled the things. And of course the dread inner-groove distortion. Why oh why did so many composers have to put the loud parts at the end? I won't go into rumble and wow or a host of other issues, none of which have been (to my knowledge) conquered now any more than they were years ago. And I won't mention dynamic range compression, high frequency rolloff, and so forth.

    Yes, give me CDs. They were a revelation when they came out, and for some of us with long memories they remain so.

    But -- are you a vinyl fan? If so, why?
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    I'm with you Ken! I don't get the fascination with vinyl and you are right they are "records". I hate the expression vinyl. Cds are my choice and I no longer even own any records or a turntable. Gave all the records to the local goodwill and gave my next door neighbor my turntable. I have no desire to return to records just to have a larger version of the artwork. Not to mention we can store a whole lot more music in the same amount of space as records. I'm happy not to have the snap, crackle and pop while I listen to music thank you very much!

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    I find CD's boring and uninspiring, records I find much more engaging, interesting and add the artwork and collectability they trounce CD's.

    There is so much available second hand in "Vinyl" these days, CD's will never match vinyl for collectability.

    Been using my turntable since purchased new in 1985, a Mantra Manticore which still does it for me.
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    Born in 1985 and grow up with both, but as opera lover I must say that the original releases of opera recordings are much more appealing to me then those almost horrible little books , let alone the lavish outlook of the original libretto's
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    Plus: the large cover and liner notes

    Con: the quality - which was especially poor in my part of the world.

    That said, I still have a turntable simply because I have some items on LP that are not available on CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivimees View Post
    Plus: the large cover and liner notes

    Con: the quality - which was especially poor in my part of the world.

    That said, I still have a turntable simply because I have some items on LP that are not available on CD.
    Forgot the last one
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    LP aficionados are definitely a minority here, as they are overall, so there´s definitely no "pressure" to collect LPs, on the contrary it´s subversive to general trends.

    Met a couple of 20-somethings before Christmas in a record shop; an acquaintance of theirs wanted LPs for Christmas, and they grabbed a stack among the second-hand offers, without knowing that they had to check the LP surfaces. I told them about it, and they checked one, got bored, and went to pay for the stack.

    If one has a big collection of LPs, choose well-maintained ones & look after them well, the worn/noise thing isn´t really a problem.
    I very rarely go for damaged records, they comprise less than 0,5% of what I own, and if so, its for the LP cover artist, and they are kept stored away, in a separate section.
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    I definately think every one should be buying CD's........yep.....you do that!
    Did I miss something already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I am somewhat bemused by the current enthusiasm, among some, for vinyl. Back in the day, they were never called "vinyl," simply records -- after 78s, usually called LP or stereo records.

    I certainly don't miss them one iota. Aside from the endless fiddling with turntables, there was the insoluble problem of clicks and pops from dust, and of scratches arising from nowhere, no matter how carefully you handled the things. And of course the dread inner-groove distortion. Why oh why did so many composers have to put the loud parts at the end? I won't go into rumble and wow or a host of other issues, none of which have been (to my knowledge) conquered now any more than they were years ago. And I won't mention dynamic range compression, high frequency rolloff, and so forth.

    Yes, give me CDs. They were a revelation when they came out, and for some of us with long memories they remain so.

    But -- are you a vinyl fan? If so, why?
    As I said in the previous post I saw an LP of Bruckner's 4th conducted by Karajan. It looked to beautiful with the cover design and extensive notes on the back that I almost bought it even though I have no means of playing it. It took me back to the beautiful opera sets we used to get with extensive notes and libretti. Yes, LPs had great advantages over CDs until you put them on and found that since the last time you played them they had developed clicks and pops for no apparent reason. It would drive me crazy trying to clean the things and still the clicks and oppose emerged. So apart from the presentation, CDs for me every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badinerie View Post
    I definately think every one should be buying CD's........yep.....you do that!
    The more we can find good second hand ones
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    If I buy an LP which is too distorted to play, I download it off YT if it is available, then burn a CD & stick it in the LP cover. Job done, and all for a few pennies.

    Mostly, I don't need to do this, but still download them off YT as an easy way of getting a digital copy.

    Records are great, but they will never be more than a large but dwindling minority of my collection. The main reason for this is that the music and performances are somewhat restricted in scope to what was around from the 50s to the 70s, ie a limited repertoire and conductors who didn't have the individuality of earlier ones, and weren't yet HIP.

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    I think you will find that the clicks pops and scratches are not mentioned in the lavish L P libretti.

    The prices for a redundant format are horrendous.

    However to the flat earth merchants and Luddite's of TC be happy.

    Incidentally I always found the best sound quality came from Open reel, sadly though they were also liable to deterioration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyphemus View Post
    I think you will find that the clicks pops and scratches are not mentioned in the lavish L P libretti.

    The prices for a redundant format are horrendous.


    However to the flat earth merchants and Luddite's of TC be happy.

    Incidentally I always found the best sound quality came from Open reel, sadly though they were also liable to deterioration.

    I pay about 30p per record. Member Bigshot paid nothing for 5,000. You may be wrong.
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    You are describing the second hand market, go into a record store and buy a 'new' L P and prepare to be appalled.
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    Pops and scratches arn't obligatory. Careful examination of a used or new lp before purchasing is always a good idea, as is careful treatment of them. Knowing which labels or which years that were substandard helps too. I grew up in the Era of the lp so I'm used to taking proper care of them and know how to clean them safely. If I do buy something that turns out to be an unsatisfactory condition then it gets binned. I never let a dodgy lp get back into circulation.
    Did I miss something already?

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