View Poll Results: Which of the following conductors is your LEAST favorite?

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  • Dudamel

    5 41.67%
  • Alsop

    4 33.33%
  • Sargent

    3 25.00%
  • Rattle

    3 25.00%
  • Jansons

    2 16.67%
  • Levine

    0 0%
  • Stokowski

    1 8.33%
  • Beecham

    0 0%
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Thread: Least Favorite Conductor Poll

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    Lightbulb Least Favorite Conductor Poll

    Using the conductors who were voted out (or relegated) in the Survivor game, here is a poll which asks which of these is your least favorite conductor. There were 8 who were voted out, and they are listed above. You can choose more than 1 in the list.






    Personally, I would prefer a rank-order question structure, in which everyone numbers the list from 1 "Best" to 8 "Worst," but this will do. Hopefully, the ability to choose more than one will make the results a little tighter and prevent a total wash.
    Last edited by Rondo; Jan-04-2009 at 19:11.

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    I voted for Dudamel and Alsop,but i would vote for Bernstein if i had the chance.

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    I voted for Rattle. He's an enigma to me... I just don't understand his way with music. Too fussy, I think...

    EDIT: Although I do LOVE his Mahler 10th with the BPO, it isn't enough for me. Everyone deserves their respective high points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by World Violist View Post
    I voted for Rattle. He's an enigma to me... I just don't understand his way with music. Too fussy, I think ...
    While I accept that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I do think it entirely possible that I'll scream if I hear once more the word 'fussy' applied to Rattle's music-making.

    Quote Originally Posted by World Violist View Post
    EDIT: Although I do LOVE his Mahler 10th with the BPO, it isn't enough for me. Everyone deserves their respective high points.
    I think you need to hear the version he recorded with the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra. As I understand it, this is the performance of Mahler's Tenth Symphony which most critics seem to agree is outstanding. Having heard it myself just last week, I can fully appreciate why.

    Anyway, I went for Jansons. His work with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra has left me largely unimpressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuhlau View Post

    Anyway, I went for Jansons. His work with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra has left me largely unimpressed.

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    I have heard one performance Jansons did with the Concertgebouw (Shostakovich's 11th) which was good. I agree with you to some extent. He doesn't measure up to Haitink's tenure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondo View Post
    I have heard one performance Jansons did with the Concertgebouw (Shostakovich's 11th) which was good. I agree with you to some extent. He doesn't measure up to Haitink's tenure.
    Well that is what i have to disagree a great deal.Can you please name one outstanding recording from Haitink's tenure?Maybe i missed some great conducting.The thing about Haitink,in my humble opinion,although he was respectable,he was not capable of leading a great orchestra like Concertgebouw to great results when he was the chief conductor.He later came to that level.He himself admitted on an interview that he started too early.I think that is why although Concertgebouworkest was underrated compared to Wiener and Berliner Philharmonikers while their playing was as great.They started to be reputed as well as them nowadays,in the last couple of years,dare i say in Jansons' tenure...

    About Haitink;he is a very very good musician but in my opinion unfortunately his brilliant peak arrived after his tenure in Amsterdam.I think his Ring cycle with Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra includes some of the finest conductor this incredible work has ever seen.His later recordings of Mahler, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner with Berliner Philharmoniker, Wiener Philharmoniker, London Symphony, Staatskapelle Dresden and Chicago Symphony,drew higher regards from critics and music lovers alike than his Concertgebouw accounts.

    About Jansons;i would say;his tenure with Concertgebouworkest has been most handsome so far.I attended two concerts of them and bought quite a number of the live CD's they released and i can say only the CD with Petrushka and Symphonic Dances let me down.Sibelius CD,also did not appeal to me but his unique style was there.His Shostakovich seventh,Mahler fifth,Strauss Ein Heldenleben,Eine Alpensymphonie and Don Juan,Brahms' Second,Beethoven's second,Poulenc's Gloria,Honegger's third left me in awe.

    I also want to remind you that he did not start his career at Concertgebouw.He has three great russian music cycles from his earlier career.Rachmaninov orchestral music, Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich symphony cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atabey View Post
    They started to be reputed as well as them nowadays,in the last couple of years,dare i say in Jansons' tenure...
    Did you completely forget Chailly's era (16 years!)? Well, I like Chailly the most from Haitink-Chailly-Jansons trio. I think COncertgebouw started to be reputed many many years and decades before Janson's tenure

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    Quote Originally Posted by confuoco View Post
    Did you completely forget Chailly's era (16 years!)? Well, I like Chailly the most from Haitink-Chailly-Jansons trio. I think COncertgebouw started to be reputed many many years and decades before Janson's tenure
    No,i intentionally left him out.Many people think Concertgebouw's unique character and sound is changed by Chailly in his tenure and i am one of them.I have a deep affection for Chailly the interpreter but not even a glimpse of it for Chailly the music director.What i felt was most handsome about Jansons tenure that the former sound came back immidiately. Concertgebouw started to shine from the first recording Ein Heldenleben.

    Concertgebouw started to be reputed decades before Jansons tenure,they were reputed from their foundation but did anyone held them superior to Berlin and Vienna Philharmonics or even equal? No,that started with Jansons.

    Although i had no chance to hear Chailly at the helm of Gewandhaus, many of my friends who were not so fond of Chailly in Amsterdam like myself,seem to be very fond of his work in Leipzig.One can only hope that he does not mess with their Germanic accent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atabey View Post
    Concertgebouw started to be reputed decades before Jansons tenure,they were reputed from their foundation but did anyone held them superior to Berlin and Vienna Philharmonics or even equal? No,that started with Jansons.
    Well, I am not specialist to RCO and their characteristic sound, but I can't accept your arguments about reputation. Chailly made a lot of recordings with RCO, many of them are superb and were highly acclaimed: Mahler No. 3, 8, 9, Hindemith's Kammermusik is reference recording and above all my beloved Concert for orchestra by Bartok in very original interpretation. Still RCO has been my bigger favorite than BP or WP. Reputation of WP is based only on tradition, ok, it is orchester full of great musicians, but they have no musical director, no special characeteristics and their unique sound has origin not in conductor, not in players, but just in their historical instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confuoco View Post
    Well, I am not specialist to RCO and their characteristic sound, but I can't accept your arguments about reputation. Chailly made a lot of recordings with RCO, many of them are superb and were highly acclaimed: Mahler No. 3, 8, 9, Hindemith's Kammermusik is reference recording and above all my beloved Concert for orchestra by Bartok in very original interpretation. Still RCO has been my bigger favorite than BP or WP. Reputation of WP is based only on tradition, ok, it is orchester full of great musicians, but they have no musical director, no special characeteristics and their unique sound has origin not in conductor, not in players, but just in their historical instruments.
    I did not say Chailly did not make good recordings in Amsterdam.He made great recordings.I posted my affection for his interpretations earlier.

    OK let me put it this way...Herbert Blomstedt did some wonderful recordings with San Francisco Symphony Orchestra.Did that improve their reputation,as an orchestra?No they are still reputed as a second rate ensemble.They improved Blomstedt's reputation as an interpreter.Same with Chailly and RCO.I do not think RCO was more reputed when Chailly left than when Chailly arrived.Although some people like yourself and myself were aware of RCO's incredibly high musical quality,the general consensus was that WP and BP were superior to RCO.Now it is not.

    About the qualities of WP;i beg to differ.Theirs is the meaning of special character and uniqueness in an orchestra.There are quite a few of those "historical" instruments in nearly every orchestra in German speaking world but they are hardly WP.You say that their reputation is based on tradition.Quite true.However i can not agree with your argument of uniqueness of WP is not based on players.Methinks you should read how these players are elected to play in WP.They are very strict in their choices in order to protect orchestras character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atabey View Post
    I did not say Chailly did not make good recordings in Amsterdam.He made great recordings.I posted my affection for his interpretations earlier.

    Did that improve their reputation,as an orchestra?No they are still reputed as a second rate ensemble.They improved Blomstedt's reputation as an interpreter.

    .Methinks you should read how these players are elected to play in WP.They are very strict in their choices in order to protect orchestras character.
    I know this election system in WP...that's why I wrote they are great musicians. But, I am not fan of these 2 orchestras. I think, unfortunately, the world of classical music is very conservative and it lasts long time to recognize some changes. I think fame of BP is still breeded from Karajan's era (not even Abbado's so much). But is this orchestra nowadays really so extraordinary as it would like to be?

    And finally, "reputation" is very abstract and useless term for me. I am not abonent of BP, WP, RCO...so only things that interested me are concrete recordings with concrete conductors. That's why I like Chailly with RCO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confuoco View Post
    I know this election system in WP...that's why I wrote they are great musicians. But, I am not fan of these 2 orchestras. I think, unfortunately, the world of classical music is very conservative and it lasts long time to recognize some changes. I think fame of BP is still breeded from Karajan's era (not even Abbado's so much). But is this orchestra nowadays really so extraordinary as it would like to be?

    And finally, "reputation" is very abstract and useless term for me. I am not abonent of BP, WP, RCO...so only things that interested me are concrete recordings with concrete conductors. That's why I like Chailly with RCO.
    They are not only great musicians but also Viennese musicians.During their trial in Staatsoper, they got exposed to Viennese style of playing.(bowing,fingering etc.) If they prove able to get this style,then they are able to enter the Philharmoniker.

    Of course you may not be a fan of BP and WP.I am not a fan of BP either.Not only the BP of today but BP since 1960.They lost their warm Middle Europe sound and they started to go with slick Karajan sound.They used to be master technicians in Karajan's time so their virtuosity was in the premier class.But the fault of Karajan was that he never cared much about renewing the personnel.So he left an orchestra with very old staff to Abbado and he introduced qute a number of young musicians which was not as good as the leaving ones.So i agree that BP's reputation is largely based on the BP of Karajan's time.

    And finally what can i say,taste eh ?

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    Karajan! Not because he was a bad conductor but he seemed so vain about his ability and achievements..

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    When I first saw the title of this thread (before I even noticed that it was a poll) I thought I'd put in a word for Maximianno Cobra. But (now that I've read further) I see the larger point.

    I'll agree with Atabey and put in for Dudamel & Alsop. Having said that, though, it seems a little unfair to place them side-by-side. Even though I have an instinctual feeling that there's some "hype-creation" around Dudamel, I have to concede the possibility that he still may have some upward slope to his 'learning curve.' I cannot consider a similar upward arc attendant to Alsop.

    It's much easier for me to declare a favorite among these relegated conductors... Stokowski, Stokowski, STOKOWSKI!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_town/Philly View Post
    When I first saw the title of this thread (before I even noticed that it was a poll) I thought I'd put in a word for Maximianno Cobra. But (now that I've read further) I see the larger point.
    Part of that may be due to the choice of words from my attempt to choose a more innocuous thread title. "Least favorite" is a little less charged than "worst" (the word I may have used previously in reference to this thread). Nevertheless, I would easily place the likes of Cobra in the ranks of the "worst."
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