View Poll Results: What do you think about Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra?

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  • I don't like it

    2 2.82%
  • The intro is cool, but not so much the rest

    16 22.54%
  • There are lots of good parts but also a lot of weaker ones

    8 11.27%
  • On the whole I like it

    44 61.97%
  • I don't like the intro, but I like the rest

    0 0%
  • I like some parts of it, but not the intro

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Thread: Also Sprach Zarathustra / Thus Spoke Zarathustra

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    Default Also Sprach Zarathustra / Thus Spoke Zarathustra

    The intro is famous and popular, but what about the rest....?
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    On the whole I like it , depends also on the conductor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    On the whole I like it , depends also on the conductor.
    The performance by Berlin Philharmonic w. Andris Nelsons, Oct. 18, 2014 is visually and musically breathtaking throughout the entire piece. Nelsons clearly enjoys, dare to say loves, the piece. His entire body is a 3-dimensional, concretization of the music and he and the orchestra are almost one in being in this performance. Throughout the piece there are intense and heart-wrenching melodies and moments; there are also enchanting and very lyrical melodies; the orchestration is lush; the dance is lovely and makes me want to dance. There's a link to this performance in the classified section of TC. :Becca ty

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    I admit I have not listened to it as much or as attentively as I should have, but to me the rest seems anti-climactical.
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    God gave all men all earth to love,
    But since our hearts are small,
    Ordained for each one spot should prove
    Beloved over all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    I admit I have not listened to it as much or as attentively as I should have, but to me the rest seems anti-climactical.
    you might have reason when you say there is no clear climax in this work, but not all the works have the same pattern even though the majority do share the same logic of having a climax, but some are not. The same happens to Brucker's symphonies, some think there is no climax in them or in their parts or climax is never reached though a movement towards this climax is presented.....

    btw medieval music has a different concept therefore non-climax oriented. It's just about an epoch and "fashion" of this epoch which "dresses music up" according to this epoch's expectations and ideals. Classical/romantic period is usually associated with this type of development in music namely having a climax, "in a pursue of a goal", etc which is quite similar to present -day life style , that's why may be 18-19 centuries of classical music are more appreciated and understood than the rest. May be because we still share the same paradigm of life and values starting from 18th century. ( here I don't mean that we share all values, but the core). Hm....for sure it's intertwined with historical events and so on....
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    Over exposure has made the famous beginning almost a cliche, but the whole work is enjoyable, if well performed by a first rate orchestra.
    Did I miss something already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenora View Post
    you might have reason when you say there is no clear climax in this work, but not all the works have the same pattern even though the majority do share the same logic of having a climax, but some are not. The same happens to Brucker's symphonies, some think there is no climax in them or in their parts or climax is never reached though a movement towards this climax is presented.....
    There is a climax alright, but it is at the opening. The rest is nice, but not something to rave about, especially compared to some other Strauss' works.

    Bruckner's symphonies do have a climax, by the way, especially the 7th.
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    God gave all men all earth to love,
    But since our hearts are small,
    Ordained for each one spot should prove
    Beloved over all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    There is a climax alright, but it is at the opening. The rest is nice, but not something to rave about, especially compared to some other Strauss' works.

    Bruckner's symphonies do have a climax, by the way, especially the 7th.
    yes, I do agree the 7th has climax, but I mean overall and not just about this symphony it's not that sort of climax as listeners get used to.
    and yes, it's not perhaps mega masterpiece by Strauss ( thanks god the guy was a prolific composer, we have works to choose from ) , but in my point of view this particular work should be understood , may be it needs more time to be analyzed and then its beauty is revealed. At least such was my case.
    Last edited by helenora; Feb-11-2016 at 10:47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helenora View Post
    yes, I do agree the 7th has climax, but I mean overall and not just about this symphony it's not that sort of climax as listeners get used to.
    and yes, it's not perhaps mega masterpiece by Strauss ( thanks god the guy was a prolific composer, we have works to choose from ) , but in my point of view this particular work should be understood , may be it needs more time to be analyzed and then its beauty is revealed. At least such was my case.
    Yes, that is quite possible. As I said, I have not listened to it as much as I should have.
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
    ***
    God gave all men all earth to love,
    But since our hearts are small,
    Ordained for each one spot should prove
    Beloved over all.
    R. Kipling

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    Here is a very idiosyncratic review of it by the American critic James Huneker, that will certainly contextualize it historically:

    http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbo...1000010141/149

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    Last edited by Krummhorn; Feb-12-2016 at 02:25.

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    Trivia question: What other famous Composer, friend and colleague of Strauss, wrote a major work inspired by the same text? And what is the work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Trivia question: What other famous Composer, friend and colleague of Strauss, wrote a major work inspired by the same text? And what is the work?
    Could it be Mahler, Symphony No.3?
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    God gave all men all earth to love,
    But since our hearts are small,
    Ordained for each one spot should prove
    Beloved over all.
    R. Kipling

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    I voted some parts are okay, some are weaker. Strauss often frustrates me for this reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    There is a climax alright, but it is at the opening. The rest is nice, but not something to rave about, especially compared to some other Strauss' works.
    I think there is a profound secondary climax at the end of part 2 (it has four continuous parts if I remember correctly), but I agree even that very loud section pales compared to the sunrise fanfare opening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Trivia question: What other famous Composer, friend and colleague of Strauss, wrote a major work inspired by the same text? And what is the work?
    On a side note, I tried to read a translation of the Nietzsche text and found it an impenetrable mess. I guess I need annotations.
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    Strauss, Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30

    Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan.

    For what it's worth, my absolute favourite.

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    I don't really enjoy it. Eine Alpensinfonie is the only work by R Strauss that I can say I enjoy unreservedly at this time.

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