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Thread: How right was Boulez about Stockhausen?

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    Default How right was Boulez about Stockhausen?

    1967 or earlier: "Stockhausen is the greatest living composer, and the only one whom I recognise as my peer."

    1974: "Stockhausen, with his hippie, hormonal cure, pedantically revived what was genuine in Cage."

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    Many of us could find an opinion that suits us within the vast boundaries of those two statements. Well done Pierre!
    Last edited by clavichorder; Feb-16-2016 at 15:21.

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    Missing : who cares

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    I chose the second option, but I hasten to make clear that this does not entail denying that Stockhausen was a great composer, which for better or worse I think there's a pretty good chance that he was.

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    Wrong both times.

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    Stockhausen is more like an anti-composer to me, but he is an interesting musical philosopher. Boulez was right about Stockhausen for Boulez.

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    There's no denying Stockhausen's massive influence. I am certain his work will survive for a long time to come. Who else has done more to transform 20th & 21st century music? No one.
    Last edited by Morimur; Feb-16-2016 at 16:42.

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    I think Hovhaness was his peer and was well alive at that time (as were many
    other as worthy peers). It does go to show what level of Egotism is seen as required
    for this job.

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    Boulez was correct the first time in regards to Stockhausen being the greatest living composer. I hesitate to say he was correct to consider only Stockhausen as a peer with folks like Xenakis and Ligeti around.

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    Maybe by "peer" he means his generation, because Stravinsky was also around in 1967.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morimur View Post
    Who else has done more to transform 20th & 21st century music? No one.
    Considering only more-or-less classical, more-or-less western music: besides the early Modernist trinity, Bartók (maybe the most important influence on Stockhausen), and Boulez himself, I would nominate La Monte Young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morimur View Post
    There's no denying Stockhausen's massive influence. I am certain his work will survive for a long time to come. Who else has done more to transform 20th & 21st century music? No one.
    Oh no, that honor belongs to Emile Berliner and his associates.
    If music be the food of life, play on!
    ....Shakespeare, corrected.

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