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    Default Genius Mozart or Genius Beethoven ....

    .... more specifically,

    Mozart original, lovely and popular aria that needs no mention as all admirers of Mozart's music would agree,



    Or Beethoven's arrangement, full of invention and rigor of the original theme beyond recognition


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    I like both versions, pure and simple. The melody here is so touchingly original and striking to every listener that I know, that even Louis decided to pen a set of variations on it.

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    Are we still using the word "genius" in relation to these fellers? I thought it'd been outlawed!
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    I like both. Pure and simple.

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    Mozart wins, if only for the breathtaking use of instrumental color in the third verse - both the sound itself and the effect when the winds come out of nowhere after one verse of glockenspiel and one verse of busier glockenspiel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold in Columbia View Post
    Mozart wins, if only for the breathtaking use of instrumental color in the third verse - both the sound itself and the effect when the winds come out of nowhere after one verse of glockenspiel and one verse of busier glockenspiel.
    I'll go with what Harold said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    I like both. Pure and simple.
    We are in pure and simple agreement on this matter.

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    Impossible to chose between two very different forms, one derived from the other. We know LvB had a mighty opinion of Zauberflote.

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    Louis thought very highly of Zauberflote indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Impossible to chose between two very different forms, one derived from the other. We know LvB had a mighty opinion of Zauberflote.
    He would have liked Don Giovanni and Marriage of Figaro as well if he hadn't been such a prig.


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    Whatever. A trivial Beethoven work.

    Meanwhile Beethoven put his money where his mouth was and immortalized Don Giovanni in one of his greatest works, the Diabelli Variations; NOT the Magic Flute!
    Last edited by hpowders; Feb-18-2016 at 03:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    Meanwhile Beethoven immortalized Don Giovanni in the Diabelli Variations, NOT the Magic Flute.
    Ha! 'S true!


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    I don't think Don Giovanni needed the help.

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    It wasn't about "help" per se, I think more about admiration, as it was common practice of the Classical period for one composer to arrangement music of others they admired.

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    And they expected the audience to recognize it as such, before there were recordings.
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