View Poll Results: Original Bach Or Bach arranged By Bach?

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  • I prefer Brandenburg no.3

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  • I prefer Sinfonia to cantata BWV 174

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Thread: Original Bach Or Bach arranged By Bach?

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    Default Original Bach Or Bach arranged By Bach?

    The great and ever popular Brandenburg concerto no.3, first movement




    Or Bach arranging himself at the sinfonia to cantata Ich liebe den Höchsten von ganzem Gemüte, BWV 174,


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    I think I enjoy both actually. The Brandenburg no.3 has a special place in my list of favorites.

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    I like both equally, pure and simple

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    There's much to learn in either version
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    Quote Originally Posted by manyene View Post
    There's much to learn in either version
    Agree, the work of a genius is particularly revealing when he revises it in light of later orchestral availability, requirements and maybe even taste at that time.

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    I prefer the Sinfonia. Bach's ingenuity in parodying his own work is a real marvel.
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    Having heard the Brandenburg most of my life, I find the Sinfonia is just wrong somehow.

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    I'm biased against baroque brass instruments, so I'm for Brandenburg

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    I really enjoy the Brandenburg Concerto

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    Several very interesting posts here.

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    The purpose of the added wind parts in the cantata sinfonia is just to add timbre, and they have no "musical" function by themselves. They rather disturb the ingenious symmetrical construction of the original piece (3x3).

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    I rather like the Sinfonia, mainly because I had originally thought Bach simply added oboes and horns to the music, but he also ripieno string parts too. Yes, the ripieno string parts are simply doubling the oboe parts (so they arent 'real' parts, just more players) but the effect of having a large group of string players playing against the 9 string 'soloists' is a fantastic idea that adds a whole new layer of sonority and makes the sinfonia much grander sounding than the original. Unfortunately, I've only seen one recording of the sinfonia with the additional string parts. Most recordings just add the wind players only.

    It's also really bizarre to have a sinfonia seemingly composed with the maximum number of parts possible with the music, and then the rest of the cantata completely stripped down in contrast!

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    Maybe Bach wanted to show off something. He was such a busy composer and he would not compose/arrange a piece without a purpose in mind.

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    I think he just needed a sinfonia for the cantata and did not have the time to compose new material. Remenber that he composed a cantata pr. week during three consecutive years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rik1 View Post
    .. but the effect of having a large group of string players...
    Two violins and a one viola in ripieno do not constitute a large group of string players.

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