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  • Boulez, Reich, Grisey

    6 33.33%
  • Boulez, Reich, Murail

    3 16.67%
  • Boulez, Glass, Grisey

    3 16.67%
  • Boulez, Glass, Murail

    2 11.11%
  • Stockhausen, Reich, Grisey

    4 22.22%
  • Stockhausen, Reich, Murail

    0 0%
  • Stockhausen, Glass, Grisey

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Thread: Latter-day movements: Post-WW2 Modernism, minimalism, and spectral music

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    Default Latter-day movements: Post-WW2 Modernism, minimalism, and spectral music

    Boulez vs. Stockhausen, Steve Reich vs. Philip Glass, and Gérard Grisey vs. Tristan Murail. Who's better?

    I considered matching William Duckworth against John Luther Adams as well, but decided Duckworth might lose me too many potential participants.

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    Where is the choice Boulez is in a class all his own and the others are just plain meh?

    Except for Stockhausen who's just awful..

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    Personally, I´d say Grisey, Murail and Boulez are my favourites, but it´s not an extremely well-informed opinion.

    Am not a big fan of Glass, Reich, Stockhausen ...

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    Stockhausen, Boulez, Murail

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    I voted for Boulez, Reich and Grisey.
    Last edited by Chronochromie; Feb-26-2016 at 22:04.

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    None. Did not vote.

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    I picked the option showing Glass, he is overall the more accessible composer with minimalism music (and film scores).

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    1.Grisey
    2.Murail
    3.Boulez
    4.Glass
    5.Stockhausen
    6.Reich

    But I like them all.

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    I see the Spectralists as having evolved out of Boulez' experiments at IRCAM; they would not have been able to investigate the nature of those overtones without spectral analysis and computers. Stockhausen was also interested in penetrating to the heart of music and sound, and understanding sound in a more scientific way. I think him and Boulez are artistic models for the younger Spectral generation. Let's not forget Varese.

    In my opinion, the best is yet to come. I look forward to the day when tunings can be more fully explored and realized, and when the acoustic orchestra is somehow melded with the computer. At present, certain aspects of this are being explored, such as Riley's Harp of New Albion which explores piano tunings.

    The orchestra itself was designed for tonal music, though, and is really an archaic form. I don't know that we'll ever be able to realize totally new ideas on it.

    This reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where a guy wants to buy a parrot, and the proprietor, who is out of parrots, offers to do a "parrot job" on a cocker spaniel.

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    Stockhausen > Boulez > Grisey > Murail > Reich > Glass

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I see the Spectralists as having evolved out of Boulez' experiments at IRCAM; they would not have been able to investigate the nature of those overtones without spectral analysis and computers.
    I've read (I don't remember where) that the first generation of spectral composers - Dufourt, Grisey, Murail, et al. - did the spectral analysis for their first works in the style mostly by hand and intuition. In any case, IRCAM opened in 1977, by which time, for example, "Partiels" and "Mémoire/Erosion" had already been written. (Though for all I know maybe Boulez et al. were already picking up some of the tab before IRCAM officially opened. Not my domain of even semi-expertise.)

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    Stockhausen was also interested in penetrating to the heart of music and sound, and understanding sound in a more scientific way. I think him and Boulez are artistic models for the younger Spectral generation.
    That sounds right to me, and I hear a fair amount of Xenakis in the mix as well. (Maybe Ligeti, and Penderecki's Threnody?) And maybe papa Messiaen was important directly as well as by way of Boulez. I wouldn't feel confident opining about the relative importance of all of the aforementioned, though.

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    I'll go with:

    Boulez > Reich > Glass > Murail > Stockhausen > Grisey

    But I don't know Grisey that well yet.

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    The title of this thread reminds me of Mormonism.
    Last edited by Klassic; Feb-27-2016 at 08:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stirling View Post
    None. Did not vote.
    I second this

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    What option do you recommend for people with little or no interest in Boulez, Stockhausen, Grisey, and Murail?

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