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  • Juan Chrisóstomo Arriaga

    0 0%
  • François-Adrien Boieldieu

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  • Luigi Cherubini

    4 10.00%
  • Muzio Clementi

    2 5.00%
  • Franz Danzi

    0 0%
  • Jan Ladislav Dussek

    0 0%
  • Johann Nepomuk Hummel

    6 15.00%
  • Jean-François Le Sueur

    0 0%
  • Étienne Méhul

    0 0%
  • Ferdinand Ries

    1 2.50%
  • Anton Reicha

    3 7.50%
  • Gioachino Rossini

    12 30.00%
  • Louis Spohr

    1 2.50%
  • Gaspare Spontini

    1 2.50%
  • Carl Maria Weber

    10 25.00%
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Thread: Contemporaries of Beethoven:

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    Default Contemporaries of Beethoven:

    Picking up from the "most important symphony" thread.

    I've left off Schubert because we all know he'd win. I've left off Auber and Meyerbeer because nobody cares before 1829 and 1831 respectively. I've left off Mendelssohn because he was still a baby, albeit an ingenious one.
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    You forgot my personal favorite, who is often forgotten. John Field. And I mean the piano Concerti. There are 7 of them and they are so overflowing with improvisational ingenuity that you don't care about their lack of formal concision.

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    I considered Field, and if I'd had room for more than 15 I would have included him. As is, I would have included him before, say, Spohr, but I figured I should include everybody mentioned by arpeggio in the other thread, since he gave me the idea for this one.

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    That being said, I found my vote going to Rossini. It is because I suspect he will not be paid his dues, and he had as abundant a gift for good musical ideas as the best composers, but he was undisciplined with form or not interested. I respect this natural facility. But Weber was perhaps nearly as able but more disciplined.

    Hummel wrote some works that seem to shake our perceptions of his modest stature today, like the A minor piano Concerto. And Clementi kept improving in some interesting ways in the late piano Sonatas.

    Also, Ferdinand Ries was quite good.

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    I would say a composer whose operas - some of them; some of the funny ones - still hold audiences' attention from beginning to end 200 years later was a master of form in the only way that matters, whether or not musicology has yet caught up with him.

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    I voted for Clementi, but I mean to choose Cherubini. So far, amongst the others in the list, he's knocked me out the most.
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    So that means we've really got 4 votes and counting for Luigi. I didn't see that coming!

    Those who are voting for him: is this for Medea, the requiem, or other things (in which case, what?)?

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    Beethoven considered Cherubini the greatest of his contemporaries, and he was no fool.

    - One day Potter asked: 'Who is the greatest living composer, yourself excepted?' Beethoven seemed puzzled for a moment, and then exclaimed: 'Cherubini!'

    - "Say all conceivable pretty things to Cherubini -- that there is nothing I so ardently desire as that we should soon get another opera from him, and that of all our contemporaries I have the highest regard for him."

    - "Among all the composers alive Cherubini is the most worthy of respect. I am in complete agreement, too, with his conception of the 'Requiem,' and if ever I come to write one I shall take note of many things."
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    I would say Beethoven's vituperations against Rossini are a much more sincere acknowledgement of another composer's talent than his level-headed praise for Cherubini.

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    My favorite Rossini quote: "If Dame Fortune had not given him a pretty talent and amiable melodies by the bushel, what he learned at school would have brought him nothing but potatoes for his big belly."


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    I seem to have the only vote for Hummel. Love not only his concertos but his chamber music as well. His Piano trios, quintet, and septets are wonderful. He has that rare talent of keeping things moving along nicely, with more than a touch of Beethoven's propulsion, and of seldom letting interest lag.

    Now listening to his Grand Bassoon Concerto in F.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clavichorder View Post
    You forgot my personal favorite, who is often forgotten. John Field. And I mean the piano Concerti. There are 7 of them and they are so overflowing with improvisational ingenuity that you don't care about their lack of formal concision.
    This is a great topic for another thread, contemporaries of Beethoven Piano Concertos.

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    Where's Salieri?

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    No doubt - Rossini. If we only had La Cerentola he would be right up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln View Post
    Where's Salieri?
    Same place as Czerny - #2 Also-Ran Street, the Good Teachers complex.

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