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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservationist View Post
    A moment of science:

    http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_Si/nmnh/origin.htm

    They're not indigenous, hence not native. They are immigrants like everyone else.

    Since their roots are in Siberian, including linguistic roots, that is where to look for the origins of their music.
    I don't believe there were any indigenous peoples in North America before, what we refer to as, Indians. And since they have been here for more than 15,000 years, I think that probably gives them every right to be called indigenous to this country. How they came about being called "Indian" is speculative and an ongoing research topic.

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    I totally get the question being an avid classic movie watcher myself. Did you ever get an answer on this?

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    And then there’s this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by KScott View Post
    Do you know who starred in the movie? That would be a tremendous help.

    One of the problems is that Native American music has been explored to some degree in motion pictures, but very few composers exercised musiciological instinct in their scores. That said, Max Steiner's western scores are a mixed bag, comprised of old cowboy tunes and what is perceived to be Native American war chants and dances, rain dances and the like. For those who would say that he fell into the trap of bringing a lot of cliches into the scores have missed the point, for Steiner was looking at the west not the way Aaron Copland or Elie Siegmeister looked at it, but more from a European point of view, and a very unprejudiced one at that.

    Some of the best scores for westerns featuring, or approximating Native American music, include Alex North's Cheyenne Autumn, Leonard Rosenman's A Man Called Horse, Laurence Rosenthal's Return of A Man Called Horse and some of the scores by the near-forgotten Hans J. Salter are prime examples. One could also site the scores of Elmer Bernstein and Ennio Morricone, but their scores take on
    Tutuapp 9apps Showbox Mexican and Latin idioms more than Native American.

    I'm sure there are several documentaries out there that utilize real indigenous music from various tribes, as well as some indie movies. Lots to research here.
    yes yhat's sur , there are several documentaries out there that utilize real indigenous music from various tribes but not sim indian's movies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sc00by View Post
    I don't believe there were any indigenous peoples in North America before, what we refer to as, Indians. And since they have been here for more than 15,000 years, I think that probably gives them every right to be called indigenous to this country. How they came about being called "Indian" is speculative and an ongoing research topic.
    I was taught in school they were called "Indians" because Columbus thought he had went around the world to India. They were found to be linked to the Middle Eastern people before crossing the Bering Strait.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...eria-genetics/
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromides View Post
    Greetings, Emperoroftroy.

    Welcome to TC.

    Not a musicologist am I, so the only way I can assist you is to spotlight the film A MAN CALLED HORSE (1970) and its soundtrack by Leonard Rosenman. To my knowledge, A MAN CALLED HORSE was the first Hollywood production to attempt authentic cultural representation.

    Here are scans of the 1970 vinyl LP soundtrack on Columbia Records, the reverse side of which has liner notes which are quite good:





    I don't expect most folks own turntables; the good news is that Film Score Monthly has not only re-issued but also expanded upon the contents of this LP program onto a CD album in 2010.





    You can read more about it here at FSM's site (which also contains audio samples of the tracks):

    http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/...alled-Horse-A/

    The aspect which makes this special is that actual recordings of Sioux chants were utilized in the sound mix on Rosenman's film score, making A MAN CALLED HORSE the first (and perhaps the only) such authentic soundtrack.

    You might also be interested in a 1981 film called WINDWALKER which was the first film shot in a Native American dialect (its soundtrack, though not on CD & only on LP, is thoroughly orchestral with no participation from any "Indian" reservation).
    very helpful informations , thank's for sharing

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    I don't want to over generalize; but I believe "Native Americans" don't mind being called "Indians". The major Indian advocacy organization, founded in 1968, is called A.I.M. (American Indian Movement). The website offers (limited) assistance to researchers.

    https://aimovement.org
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    ^^ According to Wikipedia:

    As of 1995, according to the US Census Bureau, 50% of people who identified as Indigenous preferred the term American Indian, 37% preferred Native American, and the remainder preferred other terms or had no preference.

    I think there is more controversy with the word Eskimo in other than Alaska:

    https://www.uaf.edu/anlc/resources/inuit_or_eskimo.php
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    Dvorak claimed to have been influenced by Native American music in his 9th Symphony, though I could never hear it. "I have not actually used any of the [Native American] melodies. I have simply written original themes embodying the peculiarities of the Indian music, and, using these themes as subjects, have developed them with all the resources of modern rhythms, counterpoint, and orchestral colour."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LezLee View Post
    And then there’s this:


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    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

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