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    I have three:

    Fournier was my first. It came with high praise and rightly so. It's HIP and I still listen to it often.
    Queyras was second. I wanted something new and I liked it but it never displaced Fournier.
    Meneses was the last one I acquired. Not well known but excellent. Understated and reverent. It actually did displace Fournier as my favorite for a while, but now it's a toss-up between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
    I have three:

    Fournier was my first. It came with high praise and rightly so. It's HIP and I still listen to it often.
    Queyras was second. I wanted something new and I liked it but it never displaced Fournier.
    Meneses was the last one I acquired. Not well known but excellent. Understated and reverent. It actually did displace Fournier as my favorite for a while, but now it's a toss-up between them.
    Are you sure that Fournier is HIP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traverso View Post
    Are you sure that Fournier is HIP?
    I thought I remembered it being HIP but you put doubt in my mind. I don't have the notes so I looked at reviews on Amazon and one says:
    "Fournier uses a rare circa-1722 Venetian Matteo Goffriler Cello for these recordings"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
    I thought I remembered it being HIP but you put doubt in my mind. I don't have the notes so I looked at reviews on Amazon and one says:
    "Fournier uses a rare circa-1722 Venetian Matteo Goffriler Cello for these recordings"
    His cello is old but that does not mean that his playing is based on HIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traverso View Post
    His cello is old but that does not mean that his playing is based on HIP
    From the same review:
    "This instrument, combined with Fournier's tasteful period-influenced lack of excessive vibrato may be..."

    Also, his cello is not just an "old" instrument, it is a "period" instrument. Certainly the tone of the instrument influenced his performance. The recordings were released on the Archive label which is strongly HIP. There are, of course, varying degrees of HIP. One person's HIP may not be another person's HIP. Are you of the opinion that these recordings are not HIP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
    From the same review:
    "This instrument, combined with Fournier's tasteful period-influenced lack of excessive vibrato may be..."

    Also, his cello is not just an "old" instrument, it is a "period" instrument. Certainly the tone of the instrument influenced his performance. The recordings were released on the Archive label which is strongly HIP. There are, of course, varying degrees of HIP. One person's HIP may not be another person's HIP. Are you of the opinion that these recordings are not HIP?
    Ii is my opinion that these recordings are not HIP,that they are on the Archiv label is no assurance.The recordings with Karl Richter are also on the Archiv label and would you call them HIP based?
    The use of vibrato in these recordings are a first indication that they are not.
    Nevertheless they can be very enjoyable,HIP is no guarantee that you have a fine performance.

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    I have Casals, Starker (RCA) and Perényi (for the 6th suite). The Starker is rich and dark in tone. Very enjoyable.

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    Recently I discovered Mischa Maisky's 2nd recording (DG) Not for all tastes for sure but sill I quite engaging reading, and unique. He takes his risks sometimes extremely to the edge of... Jumping out of Bach. But his artistry is there for recovering Bach's compositions, revealing new and unsuspected sides of them. This rendition you might love it or hate it. I enjoy a lot what he does and his exploratory spirit. A nice addition to my suites collection.

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    I have at least 10 performances of these suites and for the life of me none beat the first one I ever bought-Yo-Yo Ma's first recording, for virtuosity and insight. Incomparable, IMO.
    Last edited by hpowders; Feb-12-2017 at 03:06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    Recently I discovered Mischa Maisky's 2nd recording (DG) Not for all tastes for sure but sill I quite engaging reading, and unique. He takes his risks sometimes extremely to the edge of... Jumping out of Bach. But his artistry is there for recovering Bach's compositions, revealing new and unsuspected sides of them. This rendition you might love it or hate it. I enjoy a lot what he does and his exploratory spirit. A nice addition to my suites collection.

    Will give it a go, thanks for sharing.
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    I have been thinking of getting the recording by Ophélie Gaillard and would like some input from others who have it. The reviews on Amazon were all good. The clips that I listened to were nicely performed. The recording had a lot of room in it, which I am not necessarily opposed to. (For those not familiar with the recording term "room" it means the natural echo or reverb from the room where it is recorded.) In the reviews, good things were said about the sound of her Cello and I would agree with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    Recently I discovered Mischa Maisky's 2nd recording (DG) Not for all tastes for sure but sill I quite engaging reading, and unique. He takes his risks sometimes extremely to the edge of... Jumping out of Bach. But his artistry is there for recovering Bach's compositions, revealing new and unsuspected sides of them. This rendition you might love it or hate it. I enjoy a lot what he does and his exploratory spirit. A nice addition to my suites collection.
    I'm glad you enjoy it, but I'm afraid I didn't. There's too much Maisky and not enough Bach in those performances for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
    I have been thinking of getting the recording by Ophélie Gaillard and would like some input from others who have it. The reviews on Amazon were all good. The clips that I listened to were nicely performed. The recording had a lot of room in it, which I am not necessarily opposed to. (For those not familiar with the recording term "room" it means the natural echo or reverb from the room where it is recorded.) In the reviews, good things were said about the sound of her Cello and I would agree with it.
    Which one are you talking about? She's recorded them twice and they're rather different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    Which one are you talking about? She's recorded them twice and they're rather different.
    I did not realize that. I was talking about the one first released in 2011 with a white cover and a picture of the artist standing with her cello. This is the one I read the reviews for and listed to clips of.

    I now see she also released another recording 2006 which has an older looking photo in sepia tone.

    I would be interested in others reactions to either or both of these.
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    Just ordered this one, €9.95 shipped, got raving reviews.
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