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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    wingracer I appreciate your sense of humour


    dmg Look at it this way if you were to sell your liquor jugs to a second hand dealer what would they be sold/resold as?
    I thought someone might get a kick out of that vid.

    As to your other point, it is certainly valid. But what if another jug band musician heard him play and thought his jugs had a better tone and so offered to buy them for his own playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingracer View Post
    I thought someone might get a kick out of that vid.

    As to your other point, it is certainly valid. But what if another jug band musician heard him play and thought his jugs had a better tone and so offered to buy them for his own playing?
    I said a second hand dealer what ever you dress it up as "a Rose is a Rose is a Rose"
    personally I enjoy playing with large, hard jugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    personally I enjoy playing with large, hard jugs
    And I bet you play beautiful music on them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    As I said it is through purpose
    So you admit that a laptop whose purpose is to make music is a musical instrument.

    And there's nothing wrong with playing with jugs. I don't know about hard ones, though.

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    What about making a musical instrument out of other things? I don't mean using something else as an instrument like banging on a trash can, but actually constructing an instrument from odd materials?

    Think of some of Les Paul's odd guitars made from a piece of railroad track or a 4X4 post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmg View Post
    So you admit that a laptop whose purpose is to make music is a musical instrument.
    If you mean a PC that has been manufactured with the sole purpose of being played as a musical instrument i.e., the key board has notation or no markings at all and not letters and numbers and relies upon the musical knowledge and skill of the musician to produce music both written and improvised then yes, but if you are relying on a normal PC (which is what we are discussing) with a loaded program to do it for you then obviously no, it remains just a PC do you know of a Lap Top that that fits these specs??

    Quote Originally Posted by wingracer View Post
    What about making a musical instrument out of other things? I don't mean using something else as an instrument like banging on a trash can, but actually constructing an instrument from odd materials?

    Think of some of Les Paul's odd guitars made from a piece of railroad track or a 4X4 post.
    Yes nothing wrong with that,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    If you mean a PC that has been manufactured with the sole purpose of being played as a musical instrument
    That is not the definition of a musical instrument. If an item is used to make music, it is a musical instrument despite what it was manufactured for.

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    absolute rubbish, if in a symphony cannons are fired (1812) to add effect to the music that is what they are 'sound effects' when the music is finished the are Cannons, I really am surprised that you have difficulty with this.

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    If an object is being used to create music, it is a musical instrument. When the music is over, and the object is no longer used to make music, it ceases to be a musical instrument. This is not a difficult concept. If I take a bongo drum and use it as a door stop, is it still a musical instrument, or a door stop? I am not using it to make music - I am using it to prop open my door.

    The answer is 'it is both', as it is a musical instrument and a door stop while holding my door open; just as the cannon is both a cannon and a musical instrument when it is being used during 1812.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmg View Post
    If an object is being used to create music, it is a musical instrument. When the music is over, and the object is no longer used to make music, it ceases to be a musical instrument. This is not a difficult concept. If I take a bongo drum and use it as a door stop, is it still a musical instrument, or a door stop? I am not using it to make music - I am using it to prop open my door.
    It was made to be a musical instrument (bongo drum) and will always be a musical instrument.
    This is what I have been saying and you have difficulty in accepting
    The answer is 'it is both', as it is a musical instrument and a door stop while holding my door open; just as the cannon is both a cannon and a musical instrument when it is being used during 1812.
    No!

    I repeat A musical instrument is a device created for the purpose of making musical sounds. In principle, any object that produces sound can serve as a musical instrument—but it is through purpose that the object becomes a musical instrument.
    Dmg, You have made no attempt to answer my questions so I will ask for the last time.

    1, dmg Look at it this way if you were to sell your liquor jugs to a second hand dealer what would they be sold/resold as? I am referring to the ordinary dealer.

    2, If you mean a PC that has been manufactured with the sole purpose of being played as a musical instrument i.e., the key board has notation or no markings at all and not letters and numbers and relies upon the musical knowledge and skill of the musician to produce music both written and improvised then yes,
    do you know of a Lap Top that that fits these specs??


    but if you are relying on a normal PC (which is what we are discussing) with a loaded program to do it for you then obviously no, it remains just a PC

    To borrow and old cliché “You can lead a Horse to water but you can’t make him drink”
    dmg. I will waste no more time with you and bid you farewell.

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    From an actual dictionary:
    1: a device used to produce music; also : a singing voice
    It does not say 'a device build for the sole purpose of producing music'. It says 'a device used to produce music'. That is the definition. I do not know why you're having a difficult time with this; that is the written definition.

    I see your definition as incorrect. The definition I quoted is what I see as the accepted definition within the English language; I pulled that directly from a dictionary. I am sorry you do not agree with the accepted definition.

    From Wikipedia:

    In principle, any object that produces sound can serve as a musical instrument—it is through purpose that the object becomes a musical instrument
    You were probably taught a different definition by who knows who. Possibly a professor of some variety? My music professors do not share your definition. You are in a different country - perhaps there's a subtle difference in meanings because of that? Who knows. If that's the case, then we're both right. All I know is that the definition I know is what I quoted in this post - not what you're suggesting.

    Either way, we both enjoy good music as we would not be visiting this message board. Let's leave it at that.
    Last edited by dmg; Mar-16-2011 at 03:25.

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    I've been to numerous concerts where laptops were being used to manipulate the sounds being made by acoustic instruments and the human voice. They can also be used to manipulate recordings that have been made before the concert and blend these with the "live" elements. It's a matter of semantics whether or not a laptop (or a tape recorder for that matter) is an actual instrument, but I think that if it makes a difference to the sounds being given out (& projected around the hall with speakers) they yes, it is a musical instrument...

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    I can fart the theme tune to the TV series Black Beauty with pretty good intonation, but I still wouldn't describe my **** sphincter as a musical instrument.

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    the caveman looked at the other caveman and said:
    "No Sound! Need Stick to Play!"

    "No, no stick, use head "


    I say yes it is, i certainly dont consider it as one when i think of an instrument in the traditional sense, but it is one.

    It might need a power plug and electrons to make sound on it, but i could just as well say that a violin is not an instrument because it requires a bow and bio electricity to use it. Electrons and electronics are not some mysterious thing thats not from our world, its always been around us, maybe we couldnt control electrons before, but that doesnt mean that there not a natural energy of our universe.

    So my argument is that a orchestra requires a power plug as well - about 100 people who have eaten a good meal and drank some coffee/beer and are able to put up with the conductor for just another 2 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    I can fart the theme tune to the TV series Black Beauty with pretty good intonation, but I still wouldn't describe my **** sphincter as a musical instrument.
    If you can do that, your **** sphincter would definitely be worthy of the term 'musical instrument'.

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