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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    Sorry I forgot to include: Yamaha flute, B&H Tenor sax, Steinway piano, and a Cannon Violin plus a DELL inspiron 530 computer these these are also musical instruments ?
    Well yes of course - you know my namesakes use of new instruments and electronics led to Varese being known as the "Father of Electronic Music"

    Would you consider a synth to be a musical instrument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese View Post

    Would you consider a synth to be a musical instrument?
    Can you explain how a synth works please. I hope the move went well it is a very stressful time if you are moving house.

    Can you show me how to play a major and minor scale on my computer? Which key is for which note
    In other words how do you play it (PC)

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    In Adelaide now thanks - still unpacking boxes and getting in trouble from she who must be obeyed (the wife) for logging on here instead of unpacking

    I would suggest that is all software dependent, didn't seem to be any trouble for youtube posts I put up.

    Like any instrument the scales and dependent on the functionality of the particular instrument ie different b/n guitar sax and keyboards as some examples and a PC would be no different in fact you can program the keys to what ever notes/ scales you wish - so I don't think that is a problem for using a PC as a keyboard for example............ There are plenty of keyboards out there with dead actions also!
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    I was under the impression that a Synthesiser was the same as a keyboard but had more “sounds” to call on and could mix.

    Regarding a PC, I can’t go along with your explanation.
    Is there is a program that allocates one note to one key on the PC and allows the user to control the volume and execution (without any further input) of all the notes so that you can from a sheet of music ‘say a piano quartet’ previously unseen and play this in real time with other musicians on their own instruments if so what is the program called.

    Now if there is such a program (which I doubt) all it does is to allow the PC user to use the PC to play music which would not be possible without the program, so as purchased the PC is a PC and not a musical instrument this can be applied to many objects.

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    Andante,

    there are many such application/ programs my son has one on his IPad and it does quite amasing things and yes you can sight read sheet music and play what ever you desire on it. You can even get external keyboards to add on to the Ipad- something my son does not do - he just uses the Ipad as is. Refer below:

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    also below is an example of a program that turns laptop in to a keyboard instrument.
    "Keyboard Music
    Keyboard Music translates the sounds of various instruments, such as a piano, a guitar, or even steel drums, to your PC keyboard so you can "play" notes on each instrument. The main program screen display includes a map of a keyboard, with numbers that designate the location of each note (for example, the number 1 often equals the note "C.")"

    Ref http://download.cnet.com/Keyboard-Mu...-10396319.html
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    With the version that I d/l I was surprised at what it could do (play chords on the flute) although it was restricted with no control of the volume of a note as you play or producing vibrato and would require very small hands and double jointed fingers for me to play it no doubt there are superior programs so I concede that it can be used as a toy musical instrument, however this does not mean a PC can be called a musical instrument for the reasons that I gave in my last post.

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    A toy musical instrument.

    Ok, we will leave it there. I think its for others to continue this debate.
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    I'm coming in late, and to tell you the truth, I haven't read all the previous 20 pages in the thread, but here is my take on it:

    It's an empty question.

    The map is not the territory! "musical instrument" is just a label we put on objects, and the exact definition of that label varies from person to person. We can argue all we want on the labels (the map), but the territory says that: it can produce music, via synthesis or sampling, either live or sequenced.

    How can I play a scale in my laptop? Well, I can open Renoise (a sequencer), and it maps the qwerty keyboard to notes, so "qwertyui" is "CDEFGABC". It's the same as playing in a piano? No, it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niv View Post
    I'm coming in late, and to tell you the truth, I haven't read all the previous 20 pages in the thread, but here is my take on it:

    It's an empty question.

    The map is not the territory! "musical instrument" is just a label we put on objects, and the exact definition of that label varies from person to person. We can argue all we want on the labels (the map), but the territory says that: it can produce music, via synthesis or sampling, either live or sequenced.

    How can I play a scale in my laptop? Well, I can open Renoise (a sequencer), and it maps the qwerty keyboard to notes, so "qwertyui" is "CDEFGABC". It's the same as playing in a piano? No, it isn't.
    I think I leave further responses on this topic in your capable hands - good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    The only electronic device that is an instrument (be it limited).
    I think you mean the ondes martenot, vastly superior to the theremin.

    also the laptop is an instrument, but has no place in classical music. In my mind, classical instruments should have a uniform timbre no matter what make they are, or where they were made. There is just too much difference between laptops and other electric instruments for a sound to be reproduced closely enough.

    when a composer writes music for an oboe, he knows pretty much exactly what sounds are going to be produced, it would be impossible to explain exactly just what sound he wanted to get out of a laptop.

    This is also why I consider the ondes martenot to be one of the only classical electronic instruments; it is 'simple' enough in its design for a composer to indicate what sounds he wants to produce, and also very expressive with its ability to produce microtones and great vibrato.

    I seriously cannot comprehend why electronic instruments aren't made more like the ondes martenot these days; maybe laptop produced sounds allow for more individuality and sheer variety of sounds and timbres, but then what about tradition. If a piece of music only exists as a recording, its not quite timeless in my eyes as often music has to be played and analysed to be understood, not just heard.
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    Is the laptop a musical instrument - anything may be a musical instrument as long as somebody interpretes music on it. Provided the laptop is used in this manner - so it is. On the other hand, if somebody uses it only to generate musical tones without any trait of interpretation - it is not.

    It is the same with our body. Are our hands musical instrument? Sure, they may be... or they may be not. What about the voice - definitely..... or not quite all the time... The ambiguity comes from the intention with which the organon(instrument in latin) is used.

    If one does not cerates(or interpretes) through any instrument, it is just a wonderful body part, a piece of wood or metal, or a pile of recycled plastic remains assembled to become an electronic device.

    For me the question may be brought further to this one:

    "How can we use the laptop as a genuine musical instrument that does not fall behind any other musical instrument?"

    It is up to us.

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    Only if you consider the pianola a musical instrument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couac Addict View Post
    Only if you consider the pianola a musical instrument.
    Stravinsky wrote an original composition for it. It was later transcribed for orchestra as one of the "Four Etudes".

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    Can you play music on it like you can on a piano? No, so it's not a musical instrument. Unless of course you think the sound of typing is music...
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    There are so many wonderful instruments out there that I can't see much point to turning a laptop in to a musical instrument. Too artificial in my opinion. One of the most senseless things in the world that I can think of is the computer generated music.
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