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    Well, it produces sounds that are ordered in a certain way to form a compostition - or be part of a composition, so it qualifies as a musical instrument. Whether we like that instrument or the compostitions that result from it is a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andante View Post
    Well said Sir, but I am afraid it will be way over the heads of the Mods
    Not to mention the vast majority of our population who listen to pop/hiphop/drum&bass/euphoric dance. All the sounds for pop n other popular musiks are computer generated/synthesized, just remember that when you're bopping to the strains of Darude or Dizzy Rascal!

    Classical artists or creators of art music simply try to take the techniques used in popular culture and turn them into something meaningful. Some is good, some crap, but I know I like a lot of laptop music and I think many could benefit from hearing some of the good stuff.
    When all the paint has been dried, when all the stone has been carved, music shall remain, and we shall work with what remains.

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    Well, it produces sounds that are ordered in a certain way to form a compostition - or be part of a composition, so it qualifies as a musical instrument. Whether we like that instrument or the compostitions that result from it is a different matter.
    Considering the already destroyed meaning of 'composition' -- when 'peeing on the train tracks to stop the train' (that is the score BTW) is 'music' and a 'composition', the meaning of 'composition' has henseforth been destroyed -- by oh so unique modern composers, and considering anything in the physical world can be 'ordered' anything in the physical world is an instrument. What this means, is that the term 'musical instrument' has no meaning what so ever, at all, zero.

    Not to mention the vast majority of our population who listen to pop/hiphop/drum&bass/euphoric dance. All the sounds for pop n other popular musiks are computer generated/synthesized, just remember that when you're bopping to the strains of Darude or Dizzy Rascal!
    That's because the corporations who make the music want to save money. Cheaper paying some tech/music guy who knows Garage Band than a bunch of actually good mucisians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    Do you consider a jar of peanut butter/paste a musical instrument?
    It has potential use as a percussion instrument.

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    What about a bit of cotton? What of a tree? What of a Credit card? What of carpet? Hair? Saliva?

    Anything CAN be organised, and by current definitions in this thread, everything in the physical world is an instrument without exception... period.

    Now, that means there is no meaning in 'music instrument', at all. Which means, the term is useless and we are destroying it.

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    I'm wondering how one can get from
    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    everything in the physical world is an instrument without exception
    which sounds OK to me, to
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    that means there is no meaning in 'music instrument', at all.
    It merely means that nothing cannot be used as a 'music instrument', that's all.

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    Which means, the term is useless and we are destroying it.
    I see. We're destroying a useless term. That's a good thing, right?

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    some guy It makes sense to me, what confuses you?? if you are confused and not just argumentative

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    We're destroying a useless term. That's a good thing, right?
    It wasn't useless, say in Mozart's life. It has no meaning now that we have abused it beyond recognition. You know that, and you also know you are arguing for no reason.

    It merely means that nothing cannot be used as a 'music instrument', that's all.
    When everything is a musical instrument, the term 'musical instrument' has no meaning. Maybe read about language more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post

    When everything is a musical instrument, the term 'musical instrument' has no meaning. Maybe read about language more.
    Perhaps more to the point, when virtually any old noise is considered by some to be "music" it is not surprising that they consider any old device capable of making a noise to be a "musical instrument".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    It wasn't useless, say in Mozart's life. It has no meaning now that we have abused it beyond recognition. You know that, and you also know you are arguing for no reason.
    I do, do I? How is it that you have been given to know what I know or do not know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    When everything is a musical instrument, the term 'musical instrument' has no meaning. Maybe read about language more.
    Maybe try some argument. This is a mere repetition of your last unargued assertion. Explain how everything means the same thing as nothing.

    jhar26 still stands as having made the most sensible post to this thread.

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    Andante,

    Yagan said, "the term is useless and we are destroying it." See the order there? First the term is useless, and then we are destroying it. Destroying a useless term would be a good thing, eh?

    You see? I was just giving Yagan a gentle nudge to pay attention to his words. Everyone, pay attention to your words.! So many contributors to this thread have gotten so caught up in bludgeoning, they've forgotten what Elgar asked for in the first place, which was simply to know whether we think the laptop is a musical instrument or not.

    So far on this thread, the nots have it, but so what? Perhaps Elgar realizes now that this was possibly the wrong group to ask this question of. Or that the answers would be predictably predicable. People who don't like contemporary music would of course say nay. People who do would say yay. That is, one's response to this depends utterly on one's attitude towards music. Those with an exclusive attitude are going to be very unwilling to accept things like laptops as instruments. Those with an inclusive attitude are not.

    Perhaps we could look outside this thread for a moment, to practicing musicians playing music. Do any of these people use the laptop to create music? To perform music? Yes, they do. Would those people be appalled or at least amused by this whole conversation. Probably yes. There are those on this board who would argue, sorry, I mean assert, that what these people produce is not music. Too bad. Those musicians are going to keep on performing it, and listeners like myself will continue to enjoy it, just as we will continue to enjoy Bach and Brahms and Stravinsky. Because ultimately, it all comes down to enjoyment. And if I enjoy Bach and Brahms and eRikm, then there's a possibility that eRikm is pretty good, eh? Whether or not you or Gorm or Yagan think so.

    Just a possibility.

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    I was just giving Yagan a gentle nudge to pay attention to his words.
    Why? Everyone knew what I was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    Everyone, pay attention to your words.! So many contributors to this thread have gotten so caught up in bludgeoning, they've forgotten what Elgar asked for in the first place, which was simply to know whether we think the laptop is a musical instrument or not.
    The disagreements seem to derive from the fact that there are two separate issues: (i) whether the primary purpose and actual main use of a laptop is as a musical instrument, and (ii) whether a laptop can be used for this purpose under certain conditions and given a suitably wide definition of "music".

    I would answer "no" to the first question, and "yes" to the second. The primary purpose/use of a laptop is not as a musical instrument, any more than the primary purpose/use of a motor car is to carry trash in its trunk to a garbage tip. The fact that a car can, and sometimes is, used to carry trash does not make it a garbage receptacle/collector any more than it makes a car a love-making instrument if some people may occasionally use it for that purpose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    Perhaps Elgar realizes now that this was possibly the wrong group to ask this question of.

    Would those people be appalled or at least amused by this whole conversation.
    I think this is possibly the best argument on the whole internet! I'm very much amused by people's responses but the fact they conflict with mine is so exiting, I'd hate it if we agreed on everything!

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    listeners like myself will continue to enjoy it, just as we will continue to enjoy Bach and Brahms and Stravinsky.
    As will I.
    When all the paint has been dried, when all the stone has been carved, music shall remain, and we shall work with what remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    What about a bit of cotton? What of a tree? What of a Credit card? What of carpet? Hair? Saliva?

    Anything CAN be organised, and by current definitions in this thread, everything in the physical world is an instrument without exception... period.

    Now, that means there is no meaning in 'music instrument', at all. Which means, the term is useless and we are destroying it.
    Anything capable of making a noise has the potential to be (at least) a percussion instrument.

    So the definition of musical instrument is something capable of making noise which is used to make music. Other things capable of making a noise but not used to make music are potential musical instruments. So the term is not useless, and it does have a definition.

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