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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I have the Asasello Quartett, and the Schoenberg Quartet 5 disc set. I'm happy with these.
    I enjoy having multiple recordings in composers I love.
    Its simply magic that musicians can play such difficult works, with finesse and beauty. As long as the quartet can meet the challenge the cd stays in my collection.
    The LeSalle may not be what I am looking for. I know the SQ's have shades of the neo romantic, but I'm preferring more modern edge to the performances.


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    I just listened to a handful of the songs from Gurrelieder... that was kind of mind blowing. To borrow the concept of my other recent thread, Schoenberg could have easily "beaten Mahler (maybe even Wagner, for that matter) at his own game" but he chose to go an entirely different route. Regardless, this huge early oratorio/cantata is a great work in its own right. Why had I never heard of it until recently...?

    My respect for Schoenberg grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I just listened to a handful of the songs from Gurrelieder... that was kind of mind blowing. To borrow the concept of my other recent thread, Schoenberg could have easily "beaten Mahler (maybe even Wagner, for that matter) at his own game" but he chose to go an entirely different route. Regardless, this huge early oratorio/cantata is a great work in its own right. Why had I never heard of it until recently...?

    My respect for Schoenberg grows.
    Its a beautiful work, I have 2 or 3 recordings.
    Though I prefer his atonal masterpieces, his Gurrelieder is enchanting , hauntingly beautiful.

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    It's fascinating that he could have excelled in such vastly different styles. From what I can tell, it's a great work, and a worthy entry into the Wagner/Strauss/Mahler tradition.

    Like his music or not (for me, I'm still getting there) he was a masterful craftsman and holds a well-deserved elite place in the pantheon of the Modern era.

    As a quick note, I think it's interesting that as for his atonal and 12-tone music, what has captured me the most to this point is the piano music. It is the same way for me with Brahms, one of Schoenberg's idols (the chamber music and small scale orchestral music of each composer is growing on me too). Both are responsible for some of the most rich, dense, lush music in the modern repertoire. Both were acutely aware of their place in musical history, to their strength and detriment. Does anyone else see obvious parallels between the two? Just a little interesting to think about. Obviously, they are each wholly original; their own composer.

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    Today I listened to Pierrot, Sinopoli, with great pleasure

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    Last edited by Mandryka; Apr-24-2019 at 16:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    Today I listened to Pierrot, Sinopoli, with great pleasure

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    Going to look into this recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Going to look into this recording.
    The music is a bit like Elektra I think. This performance by Sinopoli is very beautiful, too beautiful possibly.
    Last edited by Mandryka; Apr-25-2019 at 05:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    The music is a bit like Elektra I think. This performance by Sinopoli is very beautiful, too beautiful possibly.
    Excellent... if you remember our conversation from the Strauss thread, I've been obsessed with Elektra lately.

    I wonder if Schoenberg found it to be an inspiration? I certainly hear what sounds like shades of Strauss all over his early work (Verklärte Nacht, Gurre-Lieder, etc.)

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    I’ve only heard Gurre Lieder once, a concert with Hans Hotter I remember (his last in London, he wasn’t singing, he was the sprecher!) I remember thinking that it sounded rather French. varklärter Nacht is a piece I haven’t heard for over 30 years so I’ll not make any comments.
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    Give it a listen next time you have 2 hours to spare I like the Ozawa recording with Jessye Norman and James McCracken (not sure if that last name is right, I'm not really up on singers). But I've heard good things about Chailly's recording too. It is a major work.

    Some of the orchestral textures sound a bit like Debussy to my ears, but aside from that, it strikes me as Germanic to the bone. But I'll defer to you on that judgment. Sounds like you have 30+ years of classical music experience on me
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    Not quite on topic, but this is another good Sinopoli recording:

    Webern Sinopoli 200 dpi.jpg
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
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    "In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg

    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

    "I don't mind dying, just as long as I can still breathe." -Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Not quite on topic, but this is another good Sinopoli recording:

    Webern Sinopoli 200 dpi.jpg
    You've sold me, I want this. Webern's orchestral music is quite versatile (if hard to pull off) and I'd love to see how this conductor takes it. I really like what I've heard of his Pierrot Lunaire.

    Speaking of Pierrot... Did it take anyone else time to get over the borderline silly vocals style utilized in just about every interpretation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    You've sold me, I want this. Webern's orchestral music is quite versatile (if hard to pull off) and I'd love to see how this conductor takes it. I really like what I've heard of his Pierrot Lunaire.

    Speaking of Pierrot... Did it take anyone else time to get over the borderline silly vocals style utilized in just about every interpretation?
    I'm still exploring that. I await delivery of my Marni Nixon version. She is a great singer, with perfect pitch, and has a very distinctive clarity using little to no vibrato. She worked in Hollywood as a voice-over singer for several big stars, and her Webern lieder with Robert Craft are still my favorite; a pity this mono Columbia special Products 4-LP box set has not been released on CD yet. Neither have Craft's later Schoenberg box sets. This must have something to do with some legal issue between Craft and Columbia Masterworks.

    I also await my order of the Sinopoli that Mandryka listed above.





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    "In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg

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    "I don't mind dying, just as long as I can still breathe." -Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Not quite on topic, but this is another good Sinopoli recording:

    Webern Sinopoli 200 dpi.jpg
    I hadn't heard this and I must say, I like it very much in op 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I'm still exploring that. I await delivery of my Marni Nixon version. She is a great singer, with perfect pitch, and has a very distinctive clarity using little to no vibrato. She worked in Hollywood as a voice-over singer for several big stars, and her Webern lieder with Robert Craft are still my favorite; a pity this mono Columbia special Products 4-LP box set has not been released on CD yet. Neither have Craft's later Schoenberg box sets. This must have something to do with some legal issue between Craft and Columbia Masterworks.

    I also await my order of the Sinopoli that Mandryka listed above.





    I like the Marni Nixon recording very much, but I suspect that flamencosketches may find the vocals a bit silly. Another one, of course, who was rather inspired in expresiionist singing is Bethany Beardsley here

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    I'm not sure if this was ever commercially transferred, if anyone wants the transfer I have (which is excellent!! really excellent) then send me a PM.

    In general, with Schoenberg, I've always found it fun to go back to the earliest recordings where the composer may have lent a bit of a hand. With Pierrot for example the one with Erika Stiedry-Wagner is nice to have, despite the execrable sound, I have it on this old CD

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    By the way, I've been listening to Le Marteau Sans Maître -- the next logical step after Pierrot!
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