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    I don't really need anymore 2nd Viennese recordings but the Gielen has me interested. It'll be something different than Boulez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I don't really need anymore 2nd Viennese recordings but the Gielen has me interested. It'll be something different than Boulez.
    I just ordered the Sinopoli box, but at that price I’m certainly tempted on the Gielen... first though I want a good set of the Schoenberg quartets!

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    I'd consider the Asasello Quartet for the Schoenberg string quartets. The Sinopoli set is a bit too brief, so I think I'll spend the extra bucks for the Gielen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I don't really need anymore 2nd Viennese recordings but the Gielen has me interested. It'll be something different than Boulez.
    I too have a lot of VS2 but I've resisted the Boulez Schoenberg box (I like Boulez with Berg more)... while waiting for something like this Gielen to come along... a great conductor who I have little collected... like neither Boulez nor Karajan makes it even better...

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    the Asassello is my new fave but the Leipzig is still pretty good... and II believe that creepy guy wasn't a member then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    the Asassello is my new fave but the Leipzig is still pretty good... and II believe that creepy guy wasn't a member then...
    I think I’ll get the Asasello while it’s still cheap-ish. It sounds great. What I really want is the Schoenberg Quartet but it ain’t cheap.

    Any opinions on the Lasalle box with Berg, Webern and Zemlinsky quartets included? On DG I believe.

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    flamenco - Just wanted to say, my friend ... that you're still one of the very-FEW who shows any, true interest of the Schoenberg legacy, anymore. Your continued, assiduous interest in this somewhat-DOUR (but original) composer ... in the years when composers were trying, so-diligently, to surpass the previous legacies of Wagner, Debussy, and other predecessors. ... After a number of decades of listening to Arnold S, Anton v W and Mr. Berg, I'm still trying to put-together a complete opinion of ALL of their efforts, and we can be glad that there've been, over the last, few decades a genuine NUMBER of recordings (and/or performances) that give us a true "trunk" (so to speak) or substance of what these men were trying to DEVISE, back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I think I’ll get the Asasello while it’s still cheap-ish. It sounds great. What I really want is the Schoenberg Quartet but it ain’t cheap.
    This is best price you're going to find on the Schoenberg Quartet box. On sale for one more week.
    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...ks-for-strings
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    I got the Asasello set recently, and am enjoying it. I was happy with the Fred Sherry readings, dotted around the Naxos releases, but there's a freshness and lack of pre-conceived ideas in these newer readings.

    Incidentally, the Gielen box has the chamber orchestra arrangement of the 2nd Quartet, I assume done by the composer himself? The argument made is that few people attend chamber concerts, so this might reach a wider audience. Not entirely convinced myself that the orchestral version is necessary, though......

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    I agree! I'd rather listen to the quartet. And yes, the Asasello set is great. And cheaper than than the Chandos box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    This is best price you're going to find on the Schoenberg Quartet box. On sale for one more week.
    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...ks-for-strings
    $43.00, that IS cheap. I have it, and there is slightly too much ambience for me, but the sumptuous sounds of the instruments compensate.

    Fred Sherry on Naxos? Those must be the Robert Craft series, orig. on KOCH.

    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Any opinions on the Lasalle box with Berg, Webern and Zemlinsky quartets included? On DG I believe.


    I only have the original LaSalle release.

    Schoenberg La Salle 200 dpi .jpg

    flamenco had mentioned lieder, and this 2-CD has almost a full CD's worth of Schoenberg, Webern, and Berg lieder.

    Schoenberg Gurreliewder DG 200 dpi .jpeg

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    I'm collecting piano reductions of Schoenberg's orchestral works, too. Worthy of note:

    Schoenberg Reduction Mendessohn Duo 200 dpi .jpgSchoenberg Reduction Babadjanian 200 dpi .jpg
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    I'm listening to a great recording of Pierrot Lunaire:

    pierrot lunaire.jpg

    I'm a convert, I like Pierrot Lunaire now. I like it a lot! Still a damned challenging work, but worthy of any effort expended. An expressionist masterpiece.

    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I'm collecting piano reductions of Schoenberg's orchestral works, too. Worthy of note:

    Attachment 124487Attachment 124488Attachment 124489Attachment 124491Attachment 124492
    None of those attachments work. Too bad, I'm interested!

    I'm thinking of buying Peter Hill performing klavierstücke of the Neue Wiener Schule on Naxos. Any fans here? It sounds really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89Koechel View Post
    flamenco - Just wanted to say, my friend ... that you're still one of the very-FEW who shows any, true interest of the Schoenberg legacy, anymore. Your continued, assiduous interest in this somewhat-DOUR (but original) composer ... in the years when composers were trying, so-diligently, to surpass the previous legacies of Wagner, Debussy, and other predecessors. ... After a number of decades of listening to Arnold S, Anton v W and Mr. Berg, I'm still trying to put-together a complete opinion of ALL of their efforts, and we can be glad that there've been, over the last, few decades a genuine NUMBER of recordings (and/or performances) that give us a true "trunk" (so to speak) or substance of what these men were trying to DEVISE, back then.
    There's at least a few of us here, my friend! I have to thank Mandryka, starthrower, millionrainbows and all the good people of this thread for putting me onto a lot of great Schoenberg music and otherwise. I'm glad that a multitude of recordings exists for my generation to devour, the few of us that are interested, at least.

    All I'm trying to do is make sense of a challenging, and fascinating, artist. I am a card-carrying Webernian, but his teacher is a composer that may never cease to challenge me, I think. For that matter, I am still trying to make sense of Berg too. I love a few of his works, but still am not 100% sure what he is all about. It doesn't help that I am not much of an opera man.

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    Millions - those Fred Sherry quartet recordings were done in 2012, 2005, 2007, 2009 respectively, if that makes them the same as you indicated. Indeed, they're included in the Robert Craft series, now on Naxos.

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