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    I'm just interested in the music. If a CD I own sounds good to me I'm not going to buy a "new improved" version just because it's on the market.
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    I found a good copy of the Led Zeppelin 4-CD box (1990) for $20, so I got it.

    I noticed almost the moment I put it on (during Whole Lotta Love) that it sounded harsher and more biting than my newest remasters of the same songs (on the Jimmy Page remasters) which I got at Wal-Mart for $11.99 or something. Whatever it is they're doing, it sounds better.

    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I'm just interested in the music. If a CD I own sounds good to me I'm not going to buy a "new improved" version just because it's on the market.
    But how will you know unless you hear it?
    I have to go with what sounds better. If a remastered CD sounds better to me, I'm not going to settle for the old "crappy-sounding" mastering just because I'm not supposed to be able to hear any difference. If I hear it, I'm paying the $11.99, even if I have to go into Wal-Mart to get it cheap.
    Unfortunately, this involves spending money in a gamble to find out, but as I said, CD prices are dirt-cheap these days. I guess I have faith in Jimmy Page's ability to remaster his own music to his satisfaction.
    I'm a "believer" in many of the remasters out there.
    For example, who does not have the new Beatle remasters? They sound much better than the old 1980s versions.
    The Charles Rosen 4-CD box goes for $15.00 new on Amazon; that's less than $5 per disc. To me, that's worth the gamble.
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    Since you mentioned it, I like the old LZ CDs. I bought one recent remaster and it's bright and compressed. No more remasters for me. Classical music is another story. But in my experience Sony does a pretty good job. DG is hit and miss. Decca is usually pretty good with CD sound.
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    Comparing "Whole Lotta Love" from the 4-CD box set (1990) to the 2014 Deluxe 2-CD Jimmy Page remaster (2014), I noticed no compression; I noticed a smoothing-out of the harsh edge of the 1990, and also a very subtle resolution effect, where the instruments sound more detailed and seem to "exist in their own space" in the mix. Well worth $11.95.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    Just dipping into Gielen and hearing lovely things as expected.
    I found the 12 CD Gielen set for 31 dollars + free shp. Couldn't pass it up. It's 35 if you want to go with Amazon.
    https://www.deepdiscount.com/berg-mi...8/747313906383
    https://www.amazon.com/RADIOSINFONIE...s%2C157&sr=1-1
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    ^^^ That Gielen box is a gold mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    ^^^ That Gielen box is a gold mine!
    Sounded very interesting from the samples. I think it will be a good alternative box to the Boulez set I have.
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    I've joined the frenzy, and have also ordered the Gielen box. Thanks to star thrower for the link. My first order, and I got an additional 10% off.
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    Argh, I just got the Sinopoli box but this Gielen box looks great too. Probably going to pass on this one for now...

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    How do you like the Sinopoli?
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    How do you like the Sinopoli?
    Responding for myself, I have been enjoying the Sinopoli 2nd VS set, it's certainly not run-of-the-mill! Sinopoli puts a lot os passion into the music, so it can sound quite turbulent and quite exciting/excited. Gurrelieder is very good here, but I reckon his approach (a bit like Karajan, without the "lush perfection" (sic)) works best in the Berg pieces, and he gives the Webern pieces a different kind of liveliness than many others I have heard. Romantic Webern? Well ok, not necessarily the authentic approach! But it works fine, even if it underplays the revolutionary aspects of the music of all three composers. I didn't enjoy many of the other vocal works, beyond Gurrelieder. Odd balances, woolly words....

    Gielen on the other hand makes every detail really clear, without sounding like he's involved in a public autopsy of the music. And yet this is properly human music, it's primarily concerned with human emotions and humanity in general, this is definitely not underplayed by him, something I'd occasionally suspect Boulez of trying to do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    Gielen on the other hand makes every detail really clear, without sounding like he's involved in a public autopsy of the music. And yet this is properly human music, it's primarily concerned with human emotions and humanity in general, this is definitely not underplayed by him, something I'd occasionally suspect Boulez of trying to do....
    I first noticed this with Gielen's Lyric Symphony by Zemlinsky. One of the great CD bargains out there that also includes some Berg. He exposes details without impeding or thinning. He gets the ideal balance between Boulez and the heavyweights like Karajan.

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    I have the Karajan orchestral Verklarte Nacht but I never listen to it. He makes it sound like molasses. Looking forward to the Gielen set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I have the Karajan orchestral Verklarte Nacht but I never listen to it. He makes it sound like molasses. Looking forward to the Gielen set.
    Zemlinsky said of Verklarte Nacht: "it sounds as though you have taken a still-wet version of the ‘Tristan’ score and smeared it.”

    With water, one assumes, not sugar syrup!
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    I have Zemlinsky's non symphonic orchestral works on a nice EMI 3-fer set conducted by James Conlon. Good stuff! Later I bought his Symphony CD but didn't like it as much.
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