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classical composer or musicians that did a faustian pact im dead sereous

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#1 · (Edited)
I recalled a blues man in the 1920 claim he sell his soul to the devil, this make me wonder if some classical composers did the same thing, anyone one of them confessed.

Why i whant to know, well i want to exposed satanists fair and square, or bettter any proof a guy being caught pactizing whit the devil by witness.

I actually beleive satan or the devil or an evil entity exist(if your japanese and christinanity is blurry to you try to think of the devil has an evil space alien).

I have no living proof god exist but they could be angels, to me god is the cumulative of good in every man and woman of this world .

So really dont know how people or gonna react to this one
-atheist will scorn this
-religious people may give me benefit of doupt
-agnostic may or not like this

I want to recalled , myself being attack by the wicked one(let's used euphemism) at least 3 time
stuff i burried out of my mind since i dont wont to remenber this, otherwise i would have nightmares.
Than that is all i got to says, im not on drugs, sober and everything

p.s what were alister crowley favorite classical composer or a composer in his secret ''entourage''

Have a nice day TC menbers and you folks that are satanists i pity you since you dont know satan nature(the devil has no human nature).

Cheers from deprofundis everyone:tiphat:
 
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#8 · (Edited)
exactly! :) but then who was a prototype for this character of Dr Faustus ?

I believe it was someone, but I forgot who.....

Dr Faustus regardless his profession reminds me of Nietzsche for sure , well, roughly , but there is something in an atmosphere of a novel that makes one think in this direction...
 
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#11 · (Edited)
It is a grim book: Mann felt chased out of his familiar world, where Goethe, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche had a place on Olympus. The main character, the composer Adrian Leverkühn, make a pact with the devil and swears off love to write the perfect masterpiece.

The philosopher Nietzsche has been a part model for Leverkühn.
This movie is also illuminating.

 
#12 ·
It is a grim book: Mann felt chased out of his familiar world, where Goethe, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche had a place on Olympus. The main character, the composer Adrian Leverkühn, make a pact with the devil and swears off love to write the perfect masterpiece.
right. but I mean I´m interested who was a real protagonist, whom he had in mind while writing this book? or it was a protagonist with a mix of characteristics of several real people....

because actually deprofundis was looking for a real person , not another Faust or Dr Faustus, well, I mean not fictional one

and it´s difficult to think of one without making fun of some real existing composers, making assumptions, etc
 
#19 ·
Allow me to bring context to this conversation. Some humans have done extraordinary things, things which defy comprehension, this is the point some people are bound to speak of the devil. However, one should be inspired by Paganini and Liszt, as their genius was not the work of esoteric demons (mere fictions) but their own human abilities. They are an example of what can be achieved by the human spirit.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I completely agree.

Why is it, that whenever a person achieves feats pretty far above what most people in their field of endeavors achieves, some people claim that there must be something supernatural involved?

There is nothing within the accomplishments of any particular composer or musician that requires any supernatural explanation.

There has been an estimated 107 billion people that have existed, including the 7 billion alive today. The probabilities alone, are enough to explain why some small percentage of us will achieve extreme levels of accomplishments (via genetics and hard work).

Please, let's give the credit for the highest achievers where it is due, with the achievers themselves. No unevidenced supernatural entity needed.
 
#24 · (Edited)
Alexander Scriabin DEFINITELY did dabble in mysticism and Satanism to some extent. He even wrote a piano sonata (the No. 9) entitled "Black Mass".

The English composer Peter Warlock also dabbled in Satanism, and Satanic literature was found in his home by the police after he had committing suicide. The conductor Eugene Goossens was involved in Sex Magick for sure. Goossens was caught up in the "Witch of Kings Cross" scandal and resigned his music post in disgrace shortly after being knighted. Here an article describing the scandal in detail:
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/the-conservatorium-director-and-the-witch-20150702-gi3h8y.html

Does any of this prove that the Devil exists or these individuals actually made some pact with him? No, not really.
 
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#26 ·
The stories of a black bluesman selling his soul to the devil is a myth. First, people say it was Robert Johnson but it was actually Tommy Johnson. Tommy Johnson never said he sold his soul to the devil or anything like that. This was pure hoodoo which is African-American folk magic which has roots in voodoo but is not voodoo. But meeting the Black Man at the crossroads at midnight and such is an old tradition. The Black Man is Legba not Satan. Legba is a voodoo loa who functions as a conduit between Bondye the incomprehensible one and humanity. As such, he is the point of transition between god and man and hence he is symbolized by the crossroads. To meet Legba, you have to go out to the crossroads for a number of consecutive nights. When he shows up, he resembles a very tall, inhumanly tall man--black from head to foot. In movies, they usually cast a tall black actor to play him but Legba isn't of our race. He is literally pitch black from head to foot and enormously tall. His appearance will frighten you off if you're not prepared. You must stay where you are. When he stops before you, you hand him your guitar or fiddle or whatever and he will play a wonderful ditty on it for you. When he hands it back, you will be able to play anything you want. In some versions, he merely tunes the instrument and hands it back or plays a simple scale. That's it. No selling of your soul or signing of any contract.

In old European traditions, meeting at crossroads at night is also significant. The crossroads were usually outside a town or village and seen as belonging to no one--a neutral area, a magical area.
 
#27 ·
The stories of a black bluesman selling his soul to the devil is a myth. First, people say it was Robert Johnson but it was actually Tommy Johnson. Tommy Johnson never said he sold his soul to the devil or anything like that.
That's interesting. No doubt like many others, I had always thought it was Robert Johnson who had acquired this repuation. It encouraged me to read up a bit more on the subject, and according to Wikipedia it would seem that both Robert and Tommy Johnson (no relation to each) had the same reputation with regard to having sold their souls to the devil in exchange for guitar playing skills. Anyway, I wouldn't wish to argue about the matter.

Delta blues is a genre quite high on my list of musical interests. I don't pretend to have any expertise in this area, or its finer points, or its history etc. I have acquired a reasonably decent collection of all the "great" artists in this area, and I especially like to listen to it on longish car journeys. It's easy to listen to, with just a man (occasionally a woman) and his guitar or harmonica singing unpretensiously about some minor daily occurrence. I like quite a few of these artists but Robert Johnson is my favourite. Among his sadly very limited recorded output, I especially like "Love in Vain".
 
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