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    Default Period Instrument Messiah Sets on CD

    Please list them here. I want to be enlightened. I am not able to find a web listing of such. I assume all period instrument Messiah sets are also HIP, but not all HIP are period instrument.

    But my main thrust here is to find out what the selection of period instrument Messiah sets is as I want to see if I even own one (possibly with Pinnock and Hogwood?).
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    I have the Pinnock and can easily recommend it. Great performance and very good sound. Haven't heard the Hogwood, since when I decided to get one HIP Messiah Pinnock was my choice.

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    This is one example of music in which I prefer a modern orchestra and conductor; as an example, one of the best ever performances of Messiah that I know, the first Sir Colin Davis performance.

    I cannot love any HIP performance of Messiah.
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    The Brandenburg Consort Roy Goodman KIngs College Choir Cambridge Cleobury

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    This is a good one

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    I was at this performance and thought it was excellent, the couple behind me also thought it was excellent and it happened to be their 43rd attendance of the Messiah for the Christmas season. It was the first time I had seen the slide trumpet in use, they are difficult to play as instead of moving a slide like a trombone you hold the slide steady and move the bell portion back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    This is one example of music in which I prefer a modern orchestra and conductor; as an example, one of the best ever performances of Messiah that I know, the first Sir Colin Davis performance.

    I cannot love any HIP performance of Messiah.
    I can enjoy both types of rendition. Yesterday I listened to Ormandy performance, have you heard it? It's outstanding. My first Messiah was with Marriner / ASMF, and I still love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    I have the Pinnock and can easily recommend it. Great performance and very good sound. Haven't heard the Hogwood, since when I decided to get one HIP Messiah Pinnock was my choice.
    I have Pinnock and it is one of the best, though I am not fond of counter-tenors. But the counter-tenor only has a few parts and there is a woman for the rest of the alto parts.

    I have Hogwood. I don't think there are any counter-tenors among the soloists, but as I recall the entire choral part is male, so counter tenors and trebles. I can appreciate the counter-tenors much better in a choral setting.

    One set, I can't remember if Hogwood or Gardiner, uses a boy treble for the announcement of the shepherds and angels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    I can enjoy both types of rendition. Yesterday I listened to Ormandy performance, have you heard it? It's outstanding. My first Messiah was with Marriner / ASMF, and I still love it.
    I used to listen on the radio when I was a kid around Christmas, Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra and first class chorus and soloists did Messiah annually.

    I still say those early stereo Messiahs were the best: C. Davis, Marriner, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I have Pinnock and it is one of the best, though I am not fond of counter-tenors. But the counter-tenor only has a few parts and there is a woman for the rest of the alto parts.

    I have Hogwood. I don't think there are any counter-tenors among the soloists, but as I recall the entire choral part is male, so counter tenors and trebles. I can appreciate the counter-tenors much better in a choral setting.

    One set, I can't remember if Hogwood or Gardiner, uses a boy treble for the announcement of the shepherds and angles.
    Did you try the Argos set, said like Traverso suggested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Did you try the Argos set, said like Traverso suggested?
    No, but I just checked out a few clips. Great bass. I am not sure about the alto. I think there is no counter-tenor though, so, maybe works. Will give fuller listen to clips later, is time for sleep now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    No, but I just checked out a few clips. Great bass. I am not sure about the alto. I think there is no counter-tenor though, so, maybe works. Will give fuller listen to clips later, is time for sleep now.
    I know that he knows his music very well, worth considering his opinion.
    ( just as a friendly advice)

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    Pinnock or McCreesh are the best all round sets. Both have very good soloists. McCreesh is a little more extreme in his tempi but the whole thing very dramatic. Pinnock more 'central' in interpretation. Hogwood is also good for Emma Kirkby's contribution in 'But who may abide'. and I find the Kings College with all male soloists and boys also interesting but not up with the best.
    I have Gardiner but might get rid of it. I was most disappointed in spite of glowing reviews - no spirituality.
    I gave Minkowski away as he appears to have a train to catch - whole thing rushed as if speed is the thing.

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    Trevor Pinnock's and René Jacobs' recordings are, overall, the best HIP versions I've heard, with Frieder Bernius on the Carus label running them close. From memory, all three use the "full-fat" version of Why do the Nations?, which for me is an indispensable highlight of Messiah.

    Hogwood, McCreesh and other "HIP-sters" tend to use the curtailed version of this superb aria, which always leaves me feeling short-changed, not least because it dilutes the impact of the subsequent chorus, Let us break their bonds asunder. The longer version of WDTN, in contrast, seems to impart a tension that carries through to the end of Part II, making the resolution provided by the Hallelujah chorus even more effective.

    (PS: I love the Hogwood and McCreesh recordings, but I must mark them down just a smidgeon for using a "sawn-off" version of one of my favourite pieces.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    One set, I can't remember if Hogwood or Gardiner, uses a boy treble for the announcement of the shepherds and angles.
    It's Gardiner's recording. A nice touch, even if the treble himself is a little too "hooty" for my liking. It's as if the message of the Angel of the Annunciation is being channeled through an owl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traverso View Post

    KIngs College Choir Cambridge Cleobury
    That set has exceptional clarity and a great bass. The other singers don't excite me though. The soprano is too (not sure the word here) bright or kidlike sounding (just like one of the two sopranos in Hogwood). May be worth getting though just for the extreme clarity.
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